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On July 25th, 2001 a strange rain began to fall over Kerala, India. For three months intermittent reports of colored rains came in from a several hundred kilometer long strip of coastal India. Just prior to the first reported cases of red rains, reports of sonic booms in the Kerala region suggested that perhaps a comet or asteroid had disintegrated high in the atmosphere, a phenomenon known as an airburst. Two scientists, Godfrey Louis and A. Santhosh Kumar, collected samples of the red rain and reported that the red coloration came from some unidentified particle which showed biological activity. Did Louis and Kumar uncover the first hard evidence of alien life here on Earth?
The notion that extraterrestrial life is occasionally transported to Earth, or perhaps even originally seeded life on Earth itself, is known as panspermia. The philosophical concept of panspermia has an ancient history, but it gained some scientific credentials with the support of Lord Kelvin in the late 19th century. He and others noted that meteorites often contained organic material that could only be explained by biologic activity. In the early 20th century, the Nobel-prize winning chemist Svante Arrhenius calculated that seeds or spores could be transferred from Earth to Mars in a few days, and to our nearest stellar neighbor Alpha Centauri in just under 10,000 years. A few decades later, one of the world’s premier astronomers, Fred Hoyle, advanced the panspermia cause with his view that periodic infusions of extraterrestrial life helped to advance genetic evolution of life on Earth.
But panspermia fell out of favor, as did many ideas about extraterrestrial life, when Mariner 9 returned images of Mars showing it to be a rocky, desolate wasteland. For two decades panspermia was not not widely supported, but gradually over the last decade panspermia has become scientifically fashionable again. Astronomers have discovered increasingly complex organic molecules in interstellar clouds, and in 1996 geologists announced the discovery of structures within a Martian meteorite that appeared to of biologic origin. That claim has since been largely refuted, but just last week another Martian meteorite was announced that supposedly contains unusual compounds and structures that indicate extraterrestrial life activity.
So did alien life rain down over Kerala during July of 2001? Louis and Kumar have published three scientific articles in peer-reviewed journals supporting their claim. They note that the pattern of colored rain reports matches what would be expected if a meteorite released tiny spores that gradually rained down over the land. Also, they report that the spores can be induced to reproduce and grow, and that higher temperatures cause higher growth rates.
But scientists are a skeptical lot, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So far, Louis and Kumar are alone in their publications. Other scientists have presented evidence that dust storms around the Horn of Africa and in the Middle East lofted thousands of tons of dust and fungal spores into the atmosphere that traveled over to India and were washed out by the monsoonal rains. Louis and Kumar have criticized this hypothesis, but have not yet conclusively demonstrated the extraterrestrial origin of their red rain spores.
Though scientists are sometimes insular and overly-conservative, if firm evidence of extraterrestrial life exists it would have been promptly published. After all, such a publication would assure eternal fame for both the scientists and the journal itself. Until more convincing evidence emerges, panspermia will remain an idea slightly on the fringes of science, but firmly within the mainstream of the paranormal.
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I’m of the opinion that ET life is old news and any scientist truly trying to “make ” themselves need look to another area of science. ET is too political. ET is too religious fear-based drivel no matter what their (scientists) evidence.
I am pretty religious and I do not “fear” scientific “findings of ET” one bit. For the record: I just KNOW ET’s don’t exist.
>I deserve said: “I’m of the opinion that ET life is old news and any scientist truly trying to “make ” themselves need look to another area of science. ET is too political. ET is too religious fear-based drivel no matter what their (scientists) evidence.”
I agree that it is highly controversial, but I don’t see this as a good reason that research into it should be just given up. The idea of the earth being round was of the same controversy.
Wait a minute…the earth is NOT flat? but…but…the same people that wrote the bible thought that the earth was flat so, it MUST be true!
Vorador: I’m eager to see where exactly you saw that written.
Read Carl Sagan’s book ” The Demon Haunted World”, it gives very valid reasons for the need for scientific proof and investigation….one fo the best books I’ve ever read.
ic3dog: Just a little book called the bible…The earth has ends or edges (Job 37:3);
The earth has four corners (Isa. 11:12, Rev. 7:1);
It’s possible those are metaphors rather than assumed fact.
It’s probable that the entire Bible is bunk, rather than fact.
JustAnotherName said: “I am pretty religious and I do not “fear” scientific “findings of ET” one bit. For the record: I just KNOW ET’s don’t exist.”
Hmm. I consider myself quite religious, too. Although I respect your beliefs (and understand that I’m not likely to talk you out of them), I have trouble grasping why God would create such a very large universe and have only one planet populated.
If I recall correctly, doesn’t your faith believe in intelligent, nonhuman spirit beings? These would classify as extraterrestrials in my book.
It’s actually a tenet or doctrine of my faith that other inhabited planets DO exist, and that God is concerned with their denizens too.
I think of it as simply a numbers game. With billions of galaxies, and quadrillions of stars, and gajillions of planets, it seems to me to be the height of arrogance to assume that our little backwater arm of this tiny galaxy is the only place that life exists. Now whether or not any other race of beings has bothered to haul their little green butts all the way out here just to give some farmers proctological exams is another question all together. ;-)
When you consider the incomprehensible number of stars, to hold to the idea of being the only life-form in the universe displays an irrational and breathtaking sense of ego. That being said, something that Sagan mentioned in “Cosmos” has always stayed with me: “Somebody, somewhere, has to be the first.”
Wow, that’s a weird thought.
Vorador: It seems you lack the word “metaphor” in your vocabulary. Here, let me refresh your memory. ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor
I am from Kerala, India. Even though I witnessed this phenomenon first hand, I had not heard this theory anywhere. Thanks for the info. We just blamed air pollution to be the reason for the red rain.
Surely a DNA test would reveal all? Would this not be the first thing to do in these cases?
Vorador said: “ic3dog: Just a little book called the bible…The earth has ends or edges (Job 37:3);
The earth has four corners (Isa. 11:12, Rev. 7:1);”
In correct translations from those like Westcott and Hort who actually went back to the original languages of Hebrew and Greek and THEN translated to English; Job 37:3 states to the Extremities of the Earth. Isaiah 11:12 – Four Extremities – N S E W. Rev 7:1 – four corners* (rendered also quarters/extremities) again N S E W.
Some translations are flawed as they drew information into English from Old English or Latin and so on. When translating the Bible, for each language you MUST go back to the original languages of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek and then into: English OR Spanish OR Danish and so on. Taking the English version and translating to Spanish would cause errors.
Isaiah 40:22 – There is One who is dwelling above the CIRCLE of the earth. Many translations state sphere (globe, ball).
Bryan Lowder said: “Hmm. I consider myself quite religious, too. Although I respect your beliefs (and understand that I’m not likely to talk you out of them), I have trouble grasping why God would create such a very large universe and have only one planet populated.
If I recall correctly, doesn’t your faith believe in intelligent, nonhuman spirit beings? These would classify as extraterrestrials in my book.
It’s actually a tenet or doctrine of my faith that other inhabited planets DO exist, and that God is concerned with their denizens too.”
You are correct that we do believe in spirit creatures. Yes, you might say that these are ET, but we refer to them as Angels, created by God. They are NOT like us, and yet have great interest in us.
Psalm: 115:16 “As regards the heavens, to Jehovah the heavens belong, But the earth he has given to the sons of men.”
Daniel 7:10; Luke 15:10; 1 Corinthians 4:9 19
And then the Demons who were Angels that rebelled against God have a great interest in us.
James 1:19
You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light.
Jude 6
And the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day
1 John 5:19
We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one
So….I even though the Bible does not go into whether or not other planets afar were to be populated, we know that the Earth was meant to be. Gen 1:22 Isaiah 45:18
I can’t go into an entire article about how we KNOW we are the only creation inhabiting a planet but if you ask a JW or write to the organization they will answer your question as to HOW WE KNOW. http://www.watchtower.org
You can go to this site and look up the scriptures I did not post.
The Fermi Paradox
Thank you, Reed Richards, for talking about this and then having to go fight Galactus.
The authors of the three papers (Louis and Kumar) did do a DNA (and RNA) test, and it came up negative, at least in their original paper. As far as I can see I’ve not seen any confirming studies, and the journal that their paper first appeared in is known for publishing claims that are a bit outside the mainstream.
This article has nothing to do with religion or god, so shut it already, JustAnotherName.
Could we all leave our deities at the door, and be sure we pick them up on the way out. Belief, disbelief or simple lack of belief adds nothing to the conversation.
JustAnotherName said: “I am pretty religious and I do not “fear” scientific “findings of ET” one bit. For the record: I just KNOW ET’s don’t exist.”
and for the record: I JUST KNOW ET’s exist.
I am so proud of myself today for such in-depth and researched “argumentation”. I think I will start convincing people of my beliefs now because I JUST KNOW it is the truth and there are none other. If anyone chooses to counter “I will put a jihad on you” because I JUST KNOW it’s right. Hale the Flying Saghetti Monster, the Little Green Men, my left toe-nail who speaks to me in sign language and I JUST KNOW-ism !!
JustAnotherName please don’t take this the wrong way, it is only satire. I respect your beliefs and your leniency but I couldn’t let this one pass. It called for over-satyrical response and I enjoyed myself greatly for that matter. Have a great day and I wish you success in the distribution (as opposed to imposition) of much needed peace, love and enlightment.
indra c said: “and for the record: I JUST KNOW ET’s exist.
I am so proud of myself today for such in-depth and researched “argumentation”. I think I will start convincing people of my beliefs now because I JUST KNOW it is the truth and there are none other. If anyone chooses to counter “I will put a jihad on you” because I JUST KNOW it’s right. Hale the Flying Saghetti Monster, the Little Green Men, my left toe-nail who speaks to me in sign language and I JUST KNOW-ism !!
JustAnotherName please don’t take this the wrong way, it is only satire. I respect your beliefs and your leniency but I couldn’t let this one pass. It called for over-satyrical response and I enjoyed myself greatly for that matter. Have a great day and I wish you success in the distribution (as opposed to imposition) of much needed peace, love and enlightment.”
Sorry. I say “I JUST KNOW” because the plethera of evidence (or lack thereof) would never fit on this forum; hence my directing you to the Watchtower site and your neighborhood JW. Thank you for being so kind.
rp2 said: “This article has nothing to do with religion or god, so shut it already, JustAnotherName.”
Don’t worry pr2. You will have your chance to shut us up very soon. Even in this country. Except we won’t and will risk our very lives to NOT shut it as JW’s in other lands do now.
The article, as many previous and as I see posted after, has more to do with the Bible than you might think.
RandomAction said: “Could we all leave our deities at the door, and be sure we pick them up on the way out. Belief, disbelief or simple lack of belief adds nothing to the conversation.”
For you, it may not. For me and some others it does. You see, all of this study of ET’s and populated planets is moot for many for various reasons, mine being Scriptural.
I believe that everything or almost can be related to the bible, talmud or koran as everything or almost can be explained scientifically. The bible is JustAnotherName’s “choice” (for lack of a better word) for a means to understanding and appreciating the world we live in. How can anyone take that away from him/her, or attack him/her for that matter? It is something we should all accept as he/she accepts people’s rejection of it. There is no need for personal attacks, and if we feel the need to point our fingers, let’s be intelligent and humorous about it. Baseness is uncalled for in these discussions.
On a personal note, I value JustAnotherName’s input because it is researched from the bible, a book i never turn towards myself and i know i should do more of. The koran and talmud too as a matter of fact. I certainly won’t go to scriptures myself to sift out the relevancy of one passage over another in accordance to the impending discussion. I have no time for it but am definitely interested in every detail of a holy book that is brought to my attention. In this manner i value JustAnotherName’s input. Please, more quotations from the bible. Not pages upon pages because it would be counter-productive on these forums, but directly relevant passages are always welcome.
JustAnotherName said: “I am pretty religious and I do not “fear” scientific “findings of ET” one bit. For the record: I just KNOW ET’s don’t exist.”
What? How?
The End said: “It’s possible those are metaphors rather than assumed fact.”
What about the bits that tell you to stone a woman who is raped in a town? Stop pick and mixing your beliefs follow the bible completly or not at all.
JustAnotherName said: “They are NOT like us, and yet have great interest in us.”
That sounds so creepy.
JustAnotherName: If your “evidence” has anything, at all, to do with the bible, it can be dismissed as circular reasoning and, therefore, logical fallacy. Do not use the bible to argue for the validity of the bible.
Amazingly, a scientist for New Scientist has heated this material to 300 c and finds it reproducing like mad! Sta tuned!
Obviously this is life – just not as we know it.
NickFun said: “Amazingly, a scientist for New Scientist has heated this material to 300 c and finds it reproducing like mad! Sta tuned!”
link please
It’s in this months New Scientist magazine at the newsstand. Check the article on red rain and go near the end of the article.
I did a web search. Check out:
Link
You can also use the pdf version http://arxiv.org/ftp/astro-ph/papers/0312/0312639.pdf – Bear in mind, this is a paper from Cornell University not some tabloid. THEY are claiming it is extraterrestrial life. Why aren’t we hearing more about this in the papers?
haha.. organic material rained down, and in the first and second comments they try to make it a political and religious thing.. funny people
oh yeah, thats the first thing I think of when I hear about stuff like this.
JustAnotherName said: “I am pretty religious and I do not “fear” scientific “findings of ET” one bit. For the record: I just KNOW ET’s don’t exist.”
I think all of you are going about it all wrong. I think that if one is religious, that would SUPPORT the existence of aliens. I mean, if you think of intelligent life as a random occurrence, it seems pretty unlikely, but if you think that God created the world, wouldn’t he want to create other worlds where there were people to love and worship him? Seems like a bit of a waste of space if he didn’t…
Thanks for links Nickfun.
They better have a solution for killing off all this ET life other than a nuke…. :(
JW – Jehovahs Witness?
OK, these were airborne spores of Trentopholia algae. This was determined back in 2001.
See these:
http://users.erols.com/igoddard/redrain.htm
http://whyfiles.org/shorties/207red_rain/
There is also a small article on page 8 of the July/August 2006 Skeptical Inquirer
No one has heard of Occam’s razor? One might ask why the original Louis & Kumar paper included the test that didn’t show DNA while ignoring the test that did.
OK, these were airborne spores of Trentopholia algae. This was determined back in 2001.
See these:
http://users.erols.com/igoddard/redrain.htm
http://whyfiles.org/shorties/207red_rain/
There is also a small article on page 8 of the July/August 2006 Skeptical Inquirer.
No one has heard of Occam’s razor? One might ask why the original Louis & Kumar paper included the test that didn’t show DNA while ignoring the test that did.
OK, these were airborne spores of Trentopholia algae. This was determined back in 2001.
See these:
http://users.erols.com/igoddard/redrain.htm
http://whyfiles.org/shorties/207red_rain/
There is also a small article on page 8 of the July/August 2006 Skeptical Inquirer.
No one has heard of Occam’s razor? One might ask why the original Louis & Kumar paper included the test that didn’t show DNA while ignoring the test that did.
Pffft, who needs science to explain this, when we could all just beleive in an imaginary friend called God and say it was magic!
I think we should stop speculating about the possibility of alien seeds and send out our own. I’m sure there are plenty of extremophile bacteria that could survive on Mars, and maybe even Venus. We should launch a canister of bacteria and conduct our own evolutionary experiment. If the bacteria can survive and replicate, they should evolve to fit many different ecological niches. Since these worlds are most likely barren of life at the moment, we can start a new chain of evolution. Maybe Venus will eventually have its own “oxygen catastrophe” as bacteria metabolize all the poisonous gases and make the atmosphere more hospitable to humans. Oh wait, I’d better check my Bible to make sure Yahweh and Jesus Christ never said anything that can be twisted against this idea.
Picture this:
We ask God to show It’self.
We ask for visible proof of His/Hers/It’s existance…
He/She/It sends spaceships (UFOs), Angels (Ghosts ), Jesus Christ, Mahumhadd, etc.(In the Flesh).
We then collectivly poo-poo all these gifts as figmants of imagination, or collective hysteria, or fables, or any other explanation other than it being the answers to our eternal question.
What then is a Supream Being to do?
He gets in touch with someone who not only will listen, but understand and then shares the message.
Check it out:
Link
Picture this:
We ask God to show It’self.
We ask for visible proof of His/Hers/It’s existance…
He/She/It sends spaceships (UFOs), Angels (Ghosts ), Jesus Christ, Mahumhadd, etc.(In the Flesh).
We then collectivly poo-poo all these gifts as figmants of imagination, or collective hysteria, or fables, or any other explanation other than it being the answers to our eternal question.
What then is a Supream Being to do?
He gets in touch with someone who not only will listen, but understands and then shares the message.
Check it out:
Link
Hey Tink, if he’s a ‘supreme being’, why doesn’t the lazy arsehole just pop out of the clouds, say hi, create some new species in an intelligent manner and then five star every song on Guitar Hero in the middle of a largely populated area? It’d be a lot more effective than sending mad men claiming they talk to him.
Jitterwyser said: “Hey Tink, if he’s a ‘supreme being’, why doesn’t the lazy arsehole just pop out of the clouds, say hi, create some new species in an intelligent manner and then five star every song on Guitar Hero in the middle of a largely populated area? It’d be a lot more effective than sending mad men claiming they talk to him.”
Thank you for correcting my spelling.
As for why
…” doesn’t the lazy arsehole just pop out of the clouds, say hi, create some new species in an intelligent manner and then five star every song on Guitar Hero in the middle of a largely populated area?”
I do not have any idea. Perhaps he suffers not fools gladly.
As for the link to CWG site, I found this worked for me personaly to answer questions I could not answer myself; and thought someone else may find the same comfort in checking it out. I certainly did not post it to make a religious or politicle statement or to open myself up to ridicule.
Go pinch and twiddle someone else. Pfttth!
Ahem, maybe I sounded a little harsh, I get cranky when I run outta pie >_> But my major points still stand.
Tink said: “Picture this:
We ask God to show It’self.
We ask for visible proof of His/Hers/It’s existance…
He/She/It sends spaceships (UFOs), Angels (Ghosts ), Jesus Christ, Mahumhadd, etc.(In the Flesh).
We then collectivly poo-poo all these gifts as figmants of imagination, or collective hysteria, or fables, or any other explanation other than it being the answers to our eternal question.
What then is a Supream Being to do?
He gets in touch with someone who not only will listen, but understands and then shares the message.
Check it out:
Link”
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I really don’t know how this topic of biological rain turned into a dispute about whether or not God exists but whatever. My comment on that is that we can’t really just go by the bible as proof that there is no other life beyond our own planet. Not that I don’t believe in God but I do find it hard to believe in a book that was written by a man. Sure the bible is full of books that were supposedly written by different men but all of that is the claim of one (maybe several) man that printed the book originally. Granted the bible has great ideas that we can all follow to be better people but to use it as evidence against modern science is definately not a credible source (in my eyes).
I agree with the experiment of putting bacteria on other planets. I would be very interested in the outcome. We could try it with several different things like plants or. . . ok, that’s the only other idea I have but still.
So you have discovered a truly marvellous proof of this, which this Forum is too small to contain?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem#Fermat.27s_Last_Theorem_from_a_comment_in_a_margin
Your religion is a joke, and you are a fool! Have you read the New Testiment in the Bible??I’m talking about the origional not the one you incompetantly dubbed. You Jehovah’s just pull out a few numbers and details out of the Bible and made up your own story line to fit around it(144,00,etc.blah blah blah). No one wants to hear about that shit, especially not on this site or any other intellectual site. It’s bad enough that you go door to door with that shit. Every time you make a comment you throw in religion when it is only relevant on very rare occasions. No religion is fact its all speculation and ego and importance boosting b.s. I’m so much better than you I know so much more than you I need to share my wealth of foolishness with the world to save the world…
you have to stop thinking scieince and religon contradict each other!!
tkink of it as religion is why and science is how
i am religious but i belive in sience and ET’s people are just narrow minded
I second the motion. Hey, what if we’re the distant descendants of extremophiles intentionally seeded by the ancient inhabitants of Betelgeuse-4?
Wow BenKinsey, someone needs to get laid. You need to chill. I’d rather read off topic statements than comments from assholes. Go find another site to verbally abuse people in along with the other 12 year olds.