© 2005 All Rights Reserved. Do not distribute or repurpose this work without written permission from the copyright holder(s).
Printed from https://www.damninteresting.com/curio/historys-youngest-mother/
In 1939, a man from a small village in the Andes mountains carried his five-year-old daughter Lina into a hospital in the town of Pisco, Peru. He indicated to the doctors there that the shamans in his village had been unable to cure the large tumor that was developing in her abdomen. Upon examination, the doctors learned that the swelling was not, in fact, a tumor.
Dr. Gérado Lozada was told by Lina’s father that she had been having regular periods since age three, but they had stopped about 7 1/2 months prior to the visit. He listened to the young girl’s abdomen with a stethoscope, and heard a tiny second heartbeat. An X-Ray was also performed, after which there could be no doubt…to the doctors’ astonishment, five-year-old Lina Medina was about seven months pregnant.
Soon she was transferred to a hospital in the city of Lima, where specialists confirmed the pregnancy. Lina’s father was arrested on suspicion of incest, but due to lack of evidence, he was released. On Mother’s Day in 1939, when Lina was just under 5 years and 8 months old, her baby was delivered by cesarean section. It was a healthy 6 pound baby boy, and was named Gerardo after the doctor who originally diagnosed Lina’s pregnancy, Dr. Gérado Lozada.
Further research into the case was done by Dr. Edmundo Escomel, one of Peru’s preeminent physician-researchers at the time. He discovered that Lina’s menstruations had actually begun when she was only eight months old, much sooner than her father had originally reported. Escomel also documented the results of a test which indicated that Lina had the ovaries of a fully mature woman. He concluded that the reason for the early development of her reproductive system must must have been from a pituitary hormonal disorder. But the identity of Gerardo’s father was never determined.
For a long time, Gerardo was raised in the Medina household as though he were Lina’s baby brother. Two years after Gerardo was born, American child psychologist Mrs. Paul Kosak was permitted to speak with Lina at some length. As quoted in the New York Times in 1941, Mrs. Kosak said, “Lina is above normal in intelligence and the baby, a boy, is perfectly normal and is physically better developed than the average Mestiza (Spanish Indian) child. She thinks of the child as a baby brother and so does the rest of the family.”
The case of Lina Medina has often been alleged to be a hoax, but the story has been confirmed many times over the years by physicians in Peru and in the U.S. Sufficient evidence was gathered that there is little room for doubt, including photos, X-Rays, biopsies, and thorough documentation by a number of doctors.
Gerardo grew up believing that Lina was his sister until he was aged ten years, when taunting by schoolmates led him to discover the truth. In 1972, when he was 33 years old, his younger brother was born. His mother Lina had married, and had a child with her new husband.
Gerardo died seven years later at age 40 from a bone marrow infection, but as of 2005 Lina and her husband still live in Peru, and their son currently lives in Mexico.
© 2005 All Rights Reserved. Do not distribute or repurpose this work without written permission from the copyright holder(s).
Printed from https://www.damninteresting.com/curio/historys-youngest-mother/
Since you enjoyed our work enough to print it out, and read it clear to the end, would you consider donating a few dollars at https://www.damninteresting.com/donate ?
To bad we didn’t have maury back then. I want to know who the dad is.
This is amazing and very creepy at the same time. This means that someone by some means impregnated this girl at barely 5 years old. Now granted we are talking about a village based society but it still creeps me out as I have a daughter which is nearing 4…
I am in utter shock… this seems so wrong.
Depraved, isn’t it? Pity they didn’t catch the guy… whoever it was, he should have had his nuts pounded flat with a ball-peen hammer.
Wrong, so wrong.
“It takes a village” all right. Sick.
This is so upsetting. In addition to the trauma of the initial molestation, it must have wreaked havoc with this little girl’s head, having her body morph out of all recognition with an unrecognised pregnancy, then having major abdominal surgery to deliver the baby, then trying to recover afterwards. What on EARTH would this have all done with her mind? Having a first baby is terrifying enough when you’re an adult, but for a kid? God. It doesn’t bear thinking about.
Well, this just about spoiled my breakfast. URP!!!
I did it!
This is a very upsetting story especially when you think about the mental development of that girl at the age of five, what is more worrying and upsetting to me is the chance involved in this happening and thinking more about how many other children as young as five have also experienced this after all the chance of this one particular girl with such a rare condition to be raped and become pregnant is just beyond belief it makes me wonder how many other girls as young as five in less developed areas experience this type of horrific treatment. This truly shocked me.
Very sick, but also medically amazing that her reproductive organs were so advanced at such an early age and able to sustain a pregnancy. What if something so horrific was to happen today? After the perp is de-skined and slowly dipped into sulfuric acid while being hung by the balls, could doctors and scientist figure out how and why it was possible for someone so young to have a child and could that bring hope to millions of infertile woman who so despirately wish they could?..Mad scientist want to know.
This can’t be for real. I’d like to see the evidence. And don’t x-rays cook babies? It states in there that an xray revealed that there was a baby. I’m pretty sure it would not be born “healthy.” Sounds like a crock to me. A crock of shit.
The guy who married this women must be indesprate need of kids…i mean like pig family..
give me childs baby..!!
:) ENOUGH of a joke..
I think this girl is “AI”
one of an alien experiment…
meleedude said: “I did it!”
your dick is far smaller than a cat..how can u fit.. it..
nguyenvandau says:
meleedude said: “I did it!”
your dick is far smaller than a cat..how can u fit.. it..
His dick is probably much smaller than that…otherwise, like you said, it probably won’t fit…and he’s got a brain of the same size to match
Oh, btw, no, x-ray do not fry a baby…
I had heard another story, but can not recall the source any more, where a baby girl was born with her brother or sister inside of her body…so it was a birth in a birth, and the family got twins…somehow….
Well I kinda find this hard to believe as well but if it is indeed as well documented as you write then I guess I have to believe it to be truthful. Women’s bodies grow and get all curvy in order to properly fit a baby in the abdominal region. It must have been shear horror for the little girl. I know that it was common place in Africa for girls as young as 8 years old to have children but I have never heard of someone that young bearing children. Really too bad that DNA testing wasn’t readily available at that time. Sure would be nice to see the idiot who raped this child get his balls crushed in a vise.
To all the doubters… Snopes is usually a pretty relaible source, and they back up this story (see the link in the article). You can also grab a copy of the Guinness Book of World Records, she’s briefly mentioned in there are the youngest mother in recorded history.
I have read this one few times before on diffrent sites before.I think it can be true and if it is then its really AMAZING! Few more amzing stories like these can also be
Found Here Have Fun.
Everyone on the post is so incredulous about this story. If you think in terms of genetics, it is possible for a mutation to occur and cause this girl to develop earlier than usual, that solves the how is this possible quesiton. However the real question you should all ask is, “How could the human fram at the age of 5 support a child” that is where this seems to be bullshit to me is. I truly do not believe that anyone that young oculd give birth i think the child should have been aborted.
To even suggest that we could use FIVE YEAR OLDS to brin hope to infertile people is absurd and ridiculous. First, there is no doctor anywhere ever who would agree to do this. It is traumatic to a 5 year old when they are raped or are the victim of incest, can you even imagine what it would do to them to get them pregnant?
X-rays do not “cook” babies, however, like with all humans, they do cause genetic mutation, and in a developing organism it does provide more chance for mutation.
imlazyyyy said: “To even suggest that we could use FIVE YEAR OLDS to brin hope to infertile people is absurd and ridiculous. First, there is no doctor anywhere ever who would agree to do this. It is traumatic to a 5 year old when they are raped or are the victim of incest, can you even imagine what it would do to them to get them pregnant?.”
I don’t think the idea was to use 5-year-olds to carry babies… I think the idea was that a case like this allows one to compare the fertile child to control subjects to examine the differences. That can help determine what factors affect fertility in a human, and possibly lead to treatment for infertile women.
Remember, it was the 1930s, so medical technology was much inferior to what we have today. Infertility was a much more difficult problem to address.
Fellow retards:
You see an extraordinary event like this pregnancy and all you can mumble is “ewww!” “crush his balls!!” and the like. You did not even bother to read the rest of the story, for if you had you would not have that cretin idea that “she was destroyed by her rape.” No, morons, nothing bad happened to her. In fact, despite the brouhaha of idiots like yourselves, she made it just fine:
“Gerardo grew up believing that Lina was his sister until he was aged ten years, when taunting by schoolmates led
him to discover the truth. In 1972, when he was 33 years old, his younger brother was born… his mother Lina
had married, and had a child with her new husband.”
“Gerardo died seven years later at age 40 from a bone marrow infection, but Lina and her husband still live in
Peru, and their son currently lives in Mexico.”
How could she have married, have had ANOTHER son at age 38 and live happily ever after if she had been traumatized as you so stupidly assume? SHE WASN’T. So, imbeciles, READ and THINK before you talk out of your asses.
Thinker
More to the point, the son died of bone marrow infection, which actually supports the idea of x-rays…
Also something for all you alitterates to consider is the likelyhood there was no penetration involved–perhaps the father of the baby just placed his penis to her opening and squirted? Penetration is hardly the be-all or end-all in sex you know!
–I*Love*Green*Olives
Thinker said: “How could she have married, have had ANOTHER son at age 38 and live happily ever after if she had been traumatized as you so stupidly assume? SHE WASN’T. So, imbeciles, READ and THINK before you talk out of your asses.”
“Thinker” is an ironic handle for someone who makes such comments. You seem to be saying that someone who raped a child deserved no punishment because his actions didn’t utterly destroy the child’s life. Not a lot of thinking evident there.
Anonymous User said: “alitterates”
See: http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/alliterate.html
The Irony! Exclamation point!
what we have to think of is probabilities. we have to consider a genetic “anomaly” that took place in combination to a child rape or something relevant. which leads us to beleive that it is extremely difficult and not quite possible of these two incidents happening at the same time to the same person. not impossible though. on the other hand if you think that when this child visited the doctor was 7 1/2 months pregnant just visualize a baby 30monts old inside a 5year old mother and you will realise that her caring father should have paid a visited to the doctor along with her sister months before..
it just does not make any sense to me .
emmanuel said: “what we have to think of is probabilities. we have to consider a genetic “anomaly” that took place in combination to a child rape or something relevant.”
Consider that a child such as the one in the story, one who has the features of a woman (such as fully developed breasts), would possibly be a more likely target for such a sicko. Perhaps it was her “mature” physiology that made her appealing to the attacker, rather than a random coincidence.
This story is “out there”. Can it also be that this story is so “out there” to include the possibility of self-fertilization ? I know human genetics would cancel this out as a sheer impossibility, but then again a pregnancy at the age of five would be ruled out as a sheer impossibility without substantial proof of the contrary.
cedricindra said: “This story is “out there”. Can it also be that this story is so “out there” to include the possibility of self-fertilization ? I know human genetics would cancel this out as a sheer impossibility, but then again a pregnancy at the age of five would be ruled out as a sheer impossibility without substantial proof of the contrary.”
I can’t help but comment on that comment. Actually, self fertilization is not an impossibility if both sex organs are present and in good working order, but in all known cases, actually neither are fully functional. Concidering the rapid development of a few people, a female at age 5 is perfectly capable of becoming pregnant. None the less, it would take someone else to help do the deed (penetration or not). Immaculate conception this is not.
And..
Thinker, you jump to soon, emotional and mental developement occur at seperate rates, and both are a far cry different than physical development. Get an education before you start calling others imbeciles. Seems to me you need some help with your own demons.
I suppose it is possible for a serious pituitary anomaly to have caused the girl to hormonally mature at an alarming rate. And I really don’t think there’s anything that shocking about the fact that she was probably repeatedly molested by her ignorant, village-dwelling father. His logic probably consisted of something as stupid and perverted as, since she has her period she is really a woman and I can have sex with her…who knows. It is very sad and even more sad that an x-ray wasn’t done sooner to confirm the pregnancy rather than the “tumor” they thought she had. And yes, x-rays were routinely used before ultrasonography was discovered/invented even though it had potentially harmful effects. I guess there weren’t any DNA tests around either or the father would have been put in jail. And it doesn’t say she had a vaginal delivery, she had a c-section.
demonwithin666 said: “This is a very upsetting story especially when you think about the mental development of that girl at the age of five, what is more worrying and upsetting to me is the chance involved in this happening and thinking more about how many other children as young as five have also experienced this after all the chance of this one particular girl with such a rare condition to be raped and become pregnant is just beyond belief it makes me wonder how many other girls as young as five in less developed areas experience this type of horrific treatment. This truly shocked me.”
That was EXACTLY what I was thinking. No doubt this abuse was going on either in this family or throughout the village; her medical condition brought to the fore what was no doubt going on. I wonder if they could do DNA now and ask decendents of this family and village if they would be involved.
Alan Bellows said: “”Thinker” is an ironic handle for someone who makes such comments. You seem to be saying that someone who raped a child deserved no punishment because his actions didn’t utterly destroy the child’s life. Not a lot of thinking evident there.”
No matter how many times I read Thinker’s post, I miss the point where he defended rape. All he did is the same thing I ask everyone to do – base your comments on known facts instead of assumptions on what happened. While I seriously doubt a 5 yr old would consent to sex -ever-, i’m not gonna jump to the conclusion her father raped her like some are. And for those of you who keep talking about her being traumatized, did you miss the part where her psych eval shows her as being in perfect mental health?
Quoll said: “No matter how many times I read Thinker’s post, I miss the point where he defended rape.”
Thinker said: ” No, morons, nothing bad happened to her.”
Quoll said: “No matter how many times I read Thinker’s post, I miss the point where he defended rape.”
Thinker said: ” No, morons, nothing bad happened to her.”
greetings Morons..
three things you should re think ..
1, you have veiwed this event with the eyes of a modern christian orientated society which by the way at one time supported marriage capability being judged from the time of the first show of blood.
2, you say she was abused raped .. again this veiw is from some wierd notion people carry that thinks along the lines of a modern society based on the so called teachings of a religeous source.. If you had payed attention to the article you would have noticed ” He indicated to the doctors there that the shamans in his village had been unable to cure the large tumor” this line says that .. a, the people of the village believe in the paganistic views of shamanism, one of those views are and i hope you`ll all forgive me for the bluntness involved here. but .. if it bleeds it breeds,, the second thing this line tells us is that the education system of the village is not and cannot be equated with the current or then (1939) theories and working knowledge of the human anatomy .. they in other words, would not understand the ideas of the overies having to be fully formed prior to childbirth so where is it written that this is wrong. You see childhood through the modern eye, through a christian or similar religeous veiw point and you will shout rape, abuse,ect but if you took the time to think it out and then with care think it through you`d notice that this is not correct.
3, Mr Allen Bellows, you have stated” Consider that a child such as the one in the story, one who has the features of a woman (such as fully developed breasts), would possibly be a more likely target for such a sicko. Perhaps it was her “mature” physiology that made her appealing to the attacker, rather than a random coincidence.”
Sir this is historically incorrect and we can if you persist prove this .. through all time recorded as far back as the pharoahs of Egypt to the peruvian mountains to modern day history of peodophilia . we have sworn testiment that the fuly formed woman is of virtually no interest to someone think of engaging and or actively angaging in the act of under age sex. The very notion that underage sex is a crime is brought by modern societies rhetoric only and the age limit is set by those who are currently in high or fully visable profile.. however this child was in peru her father stated they were from a village in the mountains run with the shamans of the time and I would hazzard a leap of faith to say that age of consent is therefore based upon the physical signs rather than the sight of fully formed anything.. the picture as an example shows no such forming of breasts height weight ect there fore this theory whilst entertaining must be disguarded in this case.
I am no expert but Ido research carefully before posting on those matters I think are worthy of some arguement or debate..
LLP Cyanus
Also before rushing to judgement. If her father was raping her and impregnated her he probley would have contunued to do so and she probley wouldnt have been 38 before her next child.
Also it can be presumeable that unusual hormonal maturity could cause a mutch more than normal curiosity about those things. im not saing that I think a 5 year old can consent but, where did we get the magic number of 18 (or what everelse number) maby anouther culture might feel that if you old enough to be courious or for that matter have a disire (back to unusual hormonal maturity) then your old enough.
also someone said:
“on the other hand if you think that when this child visited the doctor was 7 1/2 months pregnant just visualize a baby 30monts old inside a 5year old mother and you will realise that her caring father should have paid a visited to the doctor along with her sister months before..”
He did take her to Shaman that would be the first step in his abilaty to help his doughter when it became clear that it wasnt working he took her to a real docter (probely a hard long trek down the mountans).
Id also think that if it were her father it would be pretty easy to ask her and get a pretty good idea
P.S. go to the snopes link
Extremely late comment I’m sure few will see but another point for consideration, somewhat related to Cyanus’ view:
The emotional scarring so many have treated as a given likely never happened. A child would not find “inappropriate touching” to be inappropriate unless taught to do so. Excepting possible physical injury, of which there was apparently no sign 7 months later, being impregnated at such a young age was quite possibly less traumatic than skinning a knee or being given a bath.
Even in here-and-now cases of pedophilia, if there is no physical harm done, the emotional scars come not from the acts themselves but from guilt and other emotions associated with trying to hide them. I’m certainly not arguing in favor of pedophilia, just reiterating that, as the article seemed to indicate, she likely wasn’t traumatized and scarred for life, as many of you seem to assume.
An even later reply…
You know, it is also possible that since her reproductive organs were mature enough for her to actually want and initiate the sex.. especially since she was probably considered mature due to her having her period.
Hell, I had sex dreams when I was 6 years old…. I don’t think its that unbelieveable that she would want sex.
Why does everyone automatically assume that age and sex make a victim?
at that moment in time, there’s no such thing as incest or pedophilia…
lina must have enjoyed having sex alreadysince she have reached the point of becoming wet and horny.
due to their innocence, uncivilized way of life, and lack of education, they simply do it for fun, curiosity and different satisfying feeling.
even today, lots of girls from 5 years old to 12 are having sex regularly with father, or relatives. they do enjoy it and very submissive.
little girls needs love too.
just throwing it out there, as some other people pointed out, this girl is from a VILLAGE that has SHAMANS clearly showing that it doesn’t follow the same christianic views of the more industrialized civilizations. then, following that, it might be common for this paganistic society to practice sex rituals when a girl comes of age. for instance, tribes in africa conduct village wide orgies when a girl starts mensturating and if a baby is born following that incounter, she is ready for marraige. before we judge the people in Lina’s community, perhaps we should observe their religion first.
well hmm…this may well be completely apart from anything else you guys are talking about, but if this was suprising to Lina then I’m sure she probably cried through the whole thing IF that is IF she didn’t know what was going on. Then again like certain people have said before she could have known all about it and she was just horny little girl…
I feel so sorry for this girl . Raped at lyk 5 years old . aww
What most of the posts about this article talk about was how the girl was raped or not raped. A few of you were on the right track about how their religious beliefs were likely to be different than our Judeo-Christian beliefs are.
Our way of thinking about this subject has gotten so messed up that we instantly equate her age and pregnancy with rape, molestation and possibly even incest. Most people in our “civilized” and I use that term loosely, are forced to believe things like that had to be rape because it couldn’t be anything else, otherwise you would be going against what most people think is the norm and you would fear you would be ostrisized for thinking something other than what our society has led us to believe.
In our society today, we think it is wrong for someone to even get married before they are in their mid twenties but even here in the US, a little more than a hundred years ago, it was common for people in some parts of the country to get married at 14 and sometimes even younger. Yes, I know that didn’t happen very often in “well to do” families, like railroad owners and banker’s families but it did happen. Our society has so skewed our thinking about anything to do with “children” and sex that we can’t even have a normal discussion about it without someone thinking we are perverts for bringing it up.
As for the girl in the article, I don’t know if she was forceably raped, that is against her will, but I seriously doubt if they had any statutory rape laws back then in that country. Even what we call forceable rape may have not even been a crime there at that time. Women and children were usually considered property in alot of countries and still are in a few.
I know that most of our Euro-centric ideals are based on Judeo-Christian beliefs that have been skewed by our advanced societies, then forced onto these other other societies because we have believed our ways are the only correct ways. A simple case in point was at one point the leader of the Catholic Church (the Pope) thought he was in control of the entire world and “gave” China to Portugal, never mind that they had had their own leaders and a civilized society long before there was any in Europe but they did not believe in Christianity and the Pope wanted them to be taught and made to believe in it.
Amazing!
But alas i think the father was Lina’s father!
They dont know what to do at that age, do they?
Maybe it is bc I have been influenced by the American society, however I still think that it is wrong for a 5 yr old to have sex and even if her body was ready for reproduction, she probably wasn’t mentally mature enough to do so. The psychologist stated that the girl had the intelligence of a 5 yr old and the girl preferred dolls over her baby. We have the right to judge the situation as being something terrible bc we know that a 5 yr old is not mentally mature enough to carry another child, she is still mentally and physically developing. It doesn’t matter that it was in 1930’s or that it was in a village with differnt social norms, we know that it was wrong for the girl to have been impregnated.
Notice too that the village also judged the incident as being something negative or else they would have told the child who his mother was. The child would not have been made fun of by the other children, which makes me think that it wasn’t accepted or at least normal.
Sapia said: “An even later reply…
You know, it is also possible that since her reproductive organs were mature enough for her to actually want and initiate the sex.. especially since she was probably considered mature due to her having her period.
Hell, I had sex dreams when I was 6 years old…. I don’t think its that unbelieveable that she would want sex.
Why does everyone automatically assume that age and sex make a victim?”
Yes, many have assumed this was a rape or incest, but like you I think this could have been the result of childs play, and not pedophilia at all.
Sh*t, do you all think her dad was the only other male in the village? Would it not be concievable (pardon the pun) that other kids in this area matured at an unusually early age also, and the pregnancy could have been the result of “show me yours & I’ll show you mine”; a form of play that many kids have engaged in forever; at least until caught and given the “you dont fool with your cousins speech”…LOL.
We just don’t talk about it any more, now that we are on this hyper-ridicolous notion that the only way a child could understand sexual things is through the act of molestation.
Human sexuality is inborn, it is natural. Kids play “Doctor”, baby boys are born with erections and infants will masturbate. That is a scientific fact, not a morality issue. DI! by the way, that her reproductive organs were so matured at that age.
I just read an artical the other day about this phenom, I will try to find the link….
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/22/MNGTILRMVJ1.DTL&feed=rss.news
Here is another
http://health.yahoo.com/news/37134;_ylt=AvRKKVxvTtiJTAJSgmK3i_RLvs8F
Oh my god!!!!!!! this is just sick!!!
Poor girl, suffering of PMS at age 1?
That is the nastiest thing ever. I cant even believe that. I looked further into it to see to whom the total pervert who inpregnated her was and ther were no details on that. But it did say that the little boy thought Lina was his sister until he later found out at the age of 21!! Wow, i could only imagine the talk to be like this:
Lina: Oh, by the way…i am not your sister. Yeah, im you mom…i got inpregnated when i was 5, then gave birth to you and decided not to tell you.
Wow, awkward. creepy. gross. demented. messed up. those come to my mind when i read that article. this is gross on a whole different level. whom ever the total jerk face butt munch pervert was, i hope he suffers in pain for the rest of his life. i mean really, how could you do that to a five year old, that is just messed up.
that poor girl. thats all i have to say about this article. that poor girl.
that poor girl. thats all i have to say about this article. that poor girl.
scamp said: “Amazing!
But alas i think the father was Lina’s father!
They dont know what to do at that age, do they?”
i dont think so, and i do think the father was her father. it just kinda seems like it.
sleepwalker said: “at that moment in time, there’s no such thing as incest or pedophilia…
lina must have enjoyed having sex alreadysince she have reached the point of becoming wet and horny.
due to their innocence, uncivilized way of life, and lack of education, they simply do it for fun, curiosity and different satisfying feeling.
even today, lots of girls from 5 years old to 12 are having sex regularly with father, or relatives. they do enjoy it and very submissive.
little girls needs love too.”
ewwwwwwwwwwwww…ew
megatronic said: “This can’t be for real. I’d like to see the evidence. And don’t x-rays cook babies? It states in there that an xray revealed that there was a baby. I’m pretty sure it would not be born “healthy.” Sounds like a crock to me. A crock of shit.”
x rays do not infact “cook babies.” ive read up on that.
Alex said: “Wrong, so wrong.”
i agree
Sapia said: “An even later reply…
You know, it is also possible that since her reproductive organs were mature enough for her to actually want and initiate the sex.. especially since she was probably considered mature due to her having her period.
Hell, I had sex dreams when I was 6 years old…. I don’t think its that unbelieveable that she would want sex.
Why does everyone automatically assume that age and sex make a victim?”
when i was six, i dreamed of barbis and unicorns. i had no idea what sex was. i dontknow of any child to whom did.
the fact that she refused to mention a name makes me believe it was her father. i think she was scared to confess because she was afraid for the life of her baby and self. he could have been a complete maniac and threatened to throw the 5 year old out in the streets alone without any help if she confessed. or with out her fathers financial support she and her new family would starve and cease to exist. i believe that she would have had no choice to say whom the real father was. they also found traces of her fathers testostrone on her that they believed was rubbed off on her some how which is the reason that she bagan to develope so quickley. my question is rubbed off or forced off in a sexual molestation. that poor girl didnt want the sex, it was brought upon her. why would she not confess unless it was her father. 5 year olds dont know about the birds and the bees. in the village that she lived in girls normally had babies around the age or 15, not 5. girls normaly stayed in the home and cooked, cleaned and watched out for the other siblings. she could not have learned about sex from non other then her father or mother. she didnt go to school and she had no siblings to teach her! marriages were set up between the parent of the children. girls hardly left the house. its not like she would leave the house in order to have sex. especially since in there religion they can not have sex until there are married to a proper male. she wasnt married! the only man she would actually come in contact with would be her father. and what parent would actually want to teach there children about sex at such an small age? unless they were crazy, crazy enought to rape there own daughter.
Cathryn said: “when i was six, i dreamed of barbis and unicorns. i had no idea what sex was. i dontknow of any child to whom did.
the fact that she refused to mention a name makes me believe it was her father. i think she was scared to confess because she was afraid for the life of her baby and self. he could have been a complete maniac and threatened to throw the 5 year old out in the streets alone without any help if she confessed. or with out her fathers financial support she and her new family would starve and cease to exist. i believe that she would have had no choice to say whom the real father was. they also found traces of her fathers testostrone on her that they believed was rubbed off on her some how which is the reason that she bagan to develope so quickley. my question is rubbed off or forced off in a sexual molestation. that poor girl didnt want the sex, it was brought upon her. why would she not confess unless it was her father. 5 year olds dont know about the birds and the bees. in the village that she lived in girls normally had babies around the age or 15, not 5. girls normaly stayed in the home and cooked, cleaned and watched out for the other siblings. she could not have learned about sex from non other then her father or mother. she didnt go to school and she had no siblings to teach her! marriages were set up between the parent of the children. girls hardly left the house. its not like she would leave the house in order to have sex. especially since in there religion they can not have sex until there are married to a proper male. she wasnt married! the only man she would actually come in contact with would be her father. and what parent would actually want to teach there children about sex at such an small age? unless they were crazy, crazy enought to rape there own daughter, and honestly, who you engage in sexual intercourse with your own father willingly. no, she was infact raped.
emmanuel said: “what we have to think of is probabilities. we have to consider a genetic “anomaly” that took place in combination to a child rape or something relevant. which leads us to beleive that it is extremely difficult and not quite possible of these two incidents happening at the same time to the same person. not impossible though. on the other hand if you think that when this child visited the doctor was 7 1/2 months pregnant just visualize a baby 30monts old inside a 5year old mother and you will realise that her caring father should have paid a visited to the doctor along with her sister months before..
it just does not make any sense to me .”
or they were scared to pay a visit to the doctor do to the fact that they knew she was pregnant with her fathers baby, they would have done a thourough investigation. he would have been found out if he turned her in at an early age because it might not be noticeable and the docters would want to know why he noticed something in her stomach if it was barely apparent to any one else. they would have found him out. he had to come in when it was hard not too notice. then they would have just thought of him as a caring parent, not an rapist. his true identity.
sleepwalker said: “at that moment in time, there’s no such thing as incest or pedophilia…
lina must have enjoyed having sex alreadysince she have reached the point of becoming wet and horny.
due to their innocence, uncivilized way of life, and lack of education, they simply do it for fun, curiosity and different satisfying feeling.
even today, lots of girls from 5 years old to 12 are having sex regularly with father, or relatives. they do enjoy it and very submissive.
little girls needs love too.”
you know…i dont think it is al that common for a young girl to enjoy sex, ezpecially with there fathers. i dont know where you live where that is so common but in my opinion that staement is completely unresearched and to be frank i think you just made that up to sound smart. for you to even say that freaks me out beyond belief. little girls dont go around having sex with random people non the less there fathers.
Cathryn, please don’t feed the trolls – it only encourages them.
misanthrope7 said: “Cathryn, please don’t feed the trolls – it only encourages them.”
im afraid i do not understand.
See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
misanthrope7 said: “See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll“
got ya, but so many of the things they say r so careless and wrong.
I bet it was the father. lol yeah they shoulda had maury then they could round everyone up and have low life audiences hollerin lol
sleepwalker said: “at that moment in time, there’s no such thing as incest or pedophilia… “
You’ve never taken college level courses in Native American (or any other tribal society) history. More or less all of them have strict taboos to prevent incest as best they can because they have all learned at some point in the far past just how bad the results turn out.
Anonymous User said: “More to the point, the son died of bone marrow infection, which actually supports the idea of x-rays…”
X-rays received before birth and the guy dies of a bone marrow infection at age 40… how does one support the other in a cause-effect relationship again? X-rays don’t cause infection, and on the slight chance a diagnostic x-ray did cause a mutation, those don’t cause infections either. Especially more than 40 years later.
Why do you assume that just because they don’t share the same Christian beliefs as our society does they are indeed completely uncivilized? I’m sure they have similar abilities to defy right from wrong. This is obviously out of the norm even in their own culture. It does say he was teased because of this in school, no? Which leads me to believe this isn’t normal for them. Village based people may stick to traditions, but they’re not all monkey-like, dimwitted, un-educated neanerthals as so many of you believe them to be. I somehow doubt it was her own father, though, I still think rape isn’t something that should be ruled out. I’m sure she was scarred for life, but just because one is raped, molested, abused, etc., at the age of five doesn’t mean that they can’t go on to lead normal lives. Because it happened at a young age, I’m sure it was easy for her to forget and recover from.
An even later comment…
Firtst of all, to the person who suggested they should have aborted the baby Lina was carrying: I’m a nurse and now going for a bachelor in midwifery too (an assignment on teen pregnancy made me end up here – believe it or not- ). I have seen with my very own eyes a fetus of 12 weeks old and it’s as human as you can imagine but only small (it fits in the palm of an adult’s hand)! It’s formed with eyes, ears, a mouth, hands, feet, etc. Here in Belgium the abortion law does not allow abortion past 12 weeks of pregnancy and I fully agree on that because of what I have seen. This experience made me gain a newer perspective concerning abortion. My opnion on abortion depends on the context of the whole happening but I will always keep that 12 weeks old fetus in mind when I’m making my arguments on the issue. I know we are speaking of the 30’s but I’m just sensibilizing you that a fetus of 7,5 months is like a new born and aborting it would be like killing a baby of a few days old in extremely harsh cirucumstances because an abortion is very harsh!
Secondly, many of you have great arguments concerning this issue but alas some foolish “philosophers” just write and don’t think!
Thirdly, everything is possible in this world! Don’t get me wrong, I have my doubts and criticism too about a lot of aspects of Lina’s story but I think we all know that the only person in the world who knows the truth is Lina! We are all just speculating! Neither the doctors, her parents, the shaman or the other villagers can tell the truth as it is but Lina!!! Will we ever know it?…
I was disturbed, and even sickened, after reading the story.
However, after reading the long and troubling list of comments, I am now certifiably horrified! This story, assuming that is actually true, is an atrocity against a little child! Regardless of where you live, or when you lived there. It does not matter if you are a Modern Urban Socialite, or an 19th Century Savage. If someone did anything to, or even near, a 5 year old little girl that caused (even allowed) her to become pregnant, then they are most definitely guilty of heinous sexual abuse. PERIOD! Any attempts to sidestep and/or whitewash the behavior of the responsible person (s), is nothing more than a shameful attempt at covering up the weakness of man’s nature, when allowed to act without discipline or control. It is perverse and inappropriate, no matter what excuses are offered.
To say that the little girl “turned out OK”, is a testimony to her willingness to overcome her personal life traumas, and to make the best of her life. (Most likely she has also received love and support from others in her life.) However, it does NOT mean she did not suffer, and go through hell on earth, as most may never know. Not to mention, what happened to her childhood? It was stolen from her at 5 years old.
What a horribly sad statement against humanity… again.
I feel like I need to go throw up.
ugh ew ok a girl hitting puberty at… wow thats just plain disturbing
i’m lena medina.
Yeah lalal, and my grand mother is a virgin!
Just to play Devil’s advocate, some things you may not have thought about.
Scientific reports say that this girl had a fully developed reproductive system, hormones breats, pubic hair etc. physically she was fully sexually mature. Bearing in mind that hormones drive us to have sex (regardless of any education) it is entirely possible that she initiated the sexual act.
Her hormonal development would have caused her to be attracted to men that are able to provide her with offspring, its how nature works.
Also because of this fact she would have been less inclined to stop a sexual act being forced upon her as at such a young age she would not understand the moral implications, she would only know that her hormonal “lustings” were being satisfied.
Also she would be giving off the same “pheromones” that fully grown women do which would cause men to be more attracted to her than the average 5 yr old girl irrespective of any peadophilic tendencies. Combine this with the small number of sexually mature women in a small village and you will see that her early hormonal development probably led to the sexual act being committed, rather than it being a common thing in such a village for children to be raped and it is just a co-incidence that she was sexually mature and fell pregannt.
You may well come back to me and say that she may have been physically mature enough to enage in procreation but she was not mentally mature enough. This is a fair point and is entirely down the view of the person that she procreated with as we can assume that he was a fully grown man that knew what he was doing. However what constitues mental maturity IQ? I have an IQ of about 150 my fathers is les than 120 but i consider him more mature than me, you cannot measure maturity. (i know a lot of people of legal age in this country far less mature than people below the legal age)
Think about it another way, a sexually mature woman in the UK (where i live) of an age of about 25 has the mental age of a 5 year old, there is no law to stop her and her partner (of any age above 16) engaging in procreation as it is her right to procreate. Morally speaking the case here is no different.
As the girl reached sexual maturity is it not her right to procreate?
I am not condoning what happenned by any means but I just want you to consider that not everything is as black and white as you would like to think. Yes she may have only been 5 and that may seem shocking but you have to quantify it.
lalal said: “i’m lena medina.”
you are so not lina medina and plus you didn’t spell the name right and she would so not be on here discussing her pregnancy with all of us strangers!
sothedrama said: “you are so not lina medina and plus you didn’t spell the name right and she would so not be on here discussing her pregnancy with all of us strangers!”
lalal did not say she was Lina, she said:
“i’m lena medina.”
The names, Lina, Lena, Lana, and Lala, are not uncommon. Neither is the last name Medina.
And I personaly, think it would be totally cool if this (now) 73-74 year old woman was still alive and had internet access and came to us with the true story of the “inconcievable”! That would be DI! for sure.
It’s quite possible that slutty little ho-bag with boobs was running around her kindergarten class and raped a boy. Boys are victims too and can have erections at birth. He probably just wanted his Mommy but then that BITCH slut made him rape her just because she wanted to get pregnant. She was probably in the bathroom shaving her pubic hair and fondling her breasts and sticking her fingers in her v-hole when the young lad had to pee and she thought “Wouldn’t it be fun to be a big fat preggo” and seized him, sticking his stick in her hole and then boom she’s pregnant.
Boohoo she got raped. She iniated it, the slutty little bitch! SHE GOT WHAT SHE
DESERVED. what a freakin trollop, little slutty ho-bag. her breats were small i bet.
I am pro-choice as far as abortion is concerned, but I never thought of the cutoff time. I agree that there should be a cutoff time when a woman can have an abortion. Past the cutoff time, she should not have an abortion at all. Nappy, I would like to add that it is impossible that ONLY Lina knows what happened. It does not make sense if ONLY Lina knows. In order for her to get pregnant, a guy had to have raped her so that means the rapist also knew as well!! The rapist knew she had breasts, meaning that she could get pregnant, which she did.
When I first heard this story, I was very shocked, and amazed at the same time. I never thought that a girl could get pregnant younger than the age of eight!! As for those who said that the father raped her, there was not proof of his raping her. The person who said that she did not have any traumatic consequences is totally messed up!! When you are five years old, you don’t know what is going on. When I was five years old, I remember the so-called abuse that I went through by someone who brought me over to the USA from Vietnam. He would leave me alone in the apartment alone for the entire day!! I was very hungry and lonely so I had to go to neighbors for food and companionship. If you think five-year-olds can’t be traumatized, think again!! I was hit with belt by my first foster parents and I would never forget that trauma!! I have never forgiven them for that and in high school, I had even thought of killing them for “abusing” me!! The reason why abusing is in quotes was that they hit me with a belt as punishment for my being “bad.” At that time, hitting kids was a norm. Does that mean it was ok to be hit with a belt??!!
Sorry for getting off the topic. I would love to know who the guy who raped Lina Medina.
meleedude said: “I did it!”
nguyenvandau said:
“”The guy who married this women must be indesprate need of kids…i mean like pig family..
give me childs baby..!!
:) ENOUGH of a joke..
I think this girl is “AI”
one of an alien experiment…””
okay you both are fucken nasty, it is possible for a young child to give birth & i seriously think you guys need to go to a psycho home. i mean what kind of stuff is that “ONE OF AN ALiAN EXPERiMENT” wtfuck & also faggot over on the other hand said he did it you boh do not no anything about thing’s they are talken about i am a CNA also a PEDiATRiTiON, i know alot about this & for you guys to say that? you would want no one talken about they did it or there a alian like the way your talking about her. you guys are so wrong. & also another thing
imlazyyyy said: I truly do not believe that anyone that young could give birth i think the child should have been aborted
-;;i think you need to get slapped hard as hell for that comment cant no one abort a baby after 7months your a freaken freak go jump off a near by brudge sweety be’koz that statement was STUPiD.
calichick619 says:..i am a CNA also a PEDiATRiTiON”…
I know you Must be Kidding, but still am LMAO!
Please, as a public service, tell us from what school of medicine did you graduate to being a Certified Nurse Aide as well as a PEDiATRiTiON?? Also, where exactly do you practice pediactrics?
(Are yall takeing notes, lol?)
Sorry to all my DI! friends, I just couldn’t help myself, ROTF. :-P
That’s really sick what you think. I don’t think that actually, maybe she got molested by her father, maybe someone raped her, or maybe …what you said.(sick.)
I’m 12 and i haven’t had my periods yet ( just turned 12 )
and she has :O wow lol
mmmmm i was searching world records and this came up!
so she had periods b4 she was 1 0_O ohk…….. this story is sorta
WEIRD!
-amber
whos the father thats sick
Leny Echano, Cagayan de Oro City, Philippines
SHOCKING!!!!! AND AMAZING!!!!
I never thought that it was possible for a 5 year old girl to have a child at a very young age….. cripppppppppyyyyy, I have read it in the magazine last May 9, 2008, and I never stopped thinking about it,,,,,,,,, but what really bothers me a lot was the question, “who was the father of the child that Lina gave birth??????”
Stories like this are very upsetting. I just learned that in Idaho, in a small town called St. Anthony, a 10-year-old girl gave birth to a 6-pound baby girl.
http://www.kidk.com/news/18779579.html
Seems a 39-year-old Mexican illegal immigrant raped this little lass when she was just 9-years of age. She gave birth last week in Rexburg Idaho. Both the young mother and baby are in protected custody. The rapist is in jail, but his status is under question. The way the immigration laws in the US are, I bet the dirt bag will get sent home and not face any trial or time for his crime. Just makes me sick…
The Don
This is the first time the discussion is almost more interesting than the article itself.
There are numerous points I’d like to comment on, but I’ll constrain myself.
– I agree that the comment by the thinker “Nothing bad happened to her” is worded badly, but when I read his post, I interpreted it as “She didn’t retain any permanent damage – psychological or otherwise”. He follows up his statement by citing passages of the text stating how she grew up to be an absolutely normal girl who went on to marry and have another child. It is very easy to be misunderstood when posting on the internet, and I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt before assuming they are trying to offend me.
– There is absolutely nothing in the article (or in the snopes-version) to suggest the father was anything more or less than a caring parent. Someone said she wouldn’t have come into contact with any other males, but I don’t know who made him/her a specialist on remote peruvian mountain village customs. Our news frequently report cases of children being raped by uncles, neighbour’s sons, “friends of the family” etc. so I’d rather not blame the father without evidence just because he is the easiest suspect.
– I agree that rape is the most probable explanation, but I wouldn’t completely discount doctor’s games with other local boys. I do NOT believe any five year old would actually initiate sexual actions with adults, no matter how far developped they might be. Playing games with say a ten year old boy seeing what goes where… Deinitely a possibility.
– There are many cultures (or there were in the olden days) where it is (was) normal for girls to begin having sex upon reaching puberty and it can be assumed that they didn’t all become traumatised as a result. Today this is more rare, but pregnancies of 14 year olds are not unheard of. So it is probably not the sex itself that causes trauma, but being forced into it.
– Someone said something like “He knew she had breasts and thus could become pregnant.” Well, I’m not 100% sure myself if the growth of breasts and the onset of fertility are dependant on each other. Both seem to occur at roughly the same time so it seems likely, but take into account the average education in some 1930’s peruvian backwater.
– Lina is still alive and at 74 her father or any other adult male of her village are probably dead. Still she hasn’t revealed the father of her son. This could have several reasons, but maybe she doesn’t even remember. I don’t remember much of anything from being five years old. The only thing that comes to mind right now is the death of my aunt. If that is the case it would be an indication that whatever happened there was no violence involved, as she would probably remember that. (Please note that I use a lot of “ifs” and “coulds” in this paragraph!)
I’ll stop now… I don’t think that many people will read this anyway ;-)
I agree with the people who say that pedophelia is only traumatic because we teach our kids it is. I remember messing with boys in my backyard as young as 7, messing with girls as young as 3. My mom told me I was taken to a doctors at age 2 and told I wasn’t a virgin. Well I can remember going to the doctor and I was more like 5. I was babysat by a 16 year old boy when I was 2 though who was known for being a perv. My sister told me, she was 4 when he touched her. I have been a horny person my whole life, if I don’t get sex from my husband daily, I think we’re fighting, lol. I had my first child when I was 14, I now have 4 kids. My daughter is 8 and I swear she tried to make a move on my husband. She liked having her “naked time” but we had to stop allowing it because she wanted my husband to tickle her when she was naked. She then demonstrated the crabwalk!!! She thought it was the funniest thing in the world. My poor husband seemed more psychologically damaged by it than her, lol. Whenever she’s tired she acts like she’s the star on “girls gone wild”. Needless to say, we don’t let her go to sleepovers. lol. Other than that she’s a normal, happy, smart little girl. My whole family is just chuck full o’ horny people. My mother was such a slut, she had to paternity test 3 guys to find my father. She knew right away who my sisters father was though since he was the only black guy she had ever been with. Luckily for him his wife forgave him.
But yeah, back to this kid, scientifically, that is really fascinating. Imagine if she got pregnant as soon as she got her first period!? Do you think she did and nobody knew because she miscarried? I wonder. Imagine how many kids she could’ve had by now if she had kept having them. I bet in today’s society that girl would have been messed up in the head because she would have been taught to be. To her, what happened was no big deal. I am quite curious about this though, I wonder how common this disease is. Now I have to go look THAT up, lol. YOu know the only reason I looked this up to begin with was because I have been trying to teach my daughter why it’s wrong to be so open about her body, she didn’t believe me that kids could get pregnant. I don’t know why she started being like that because she has never been touched herself, that’s why I wonder if it’s hereditary. Just like with the 16 year old boy who MAY have touched me, I remember him being nice to me, he let me watch movies with him, but I don’t remember being touched. I DO remember touching myself with barbies at a young age, however.
FUTURE PANDEMIC PREVENTION
I want to talk a bit about the good news with H5N1, the strain we currently fear the most, the one that has now shown a clear ability to cross species barriers into humans in triple digit numbers now, and the present day analogue of the strain that caused the world pandemic killing unknown millions at the close of the First World War.
It turns out that there are a number of survivors still living, some of them living with ages in the triple digits, having been older children during the epidemic when they contracted the disease. Our astute and sophisticated medical establishment apparently was not particularly interested in this fact until very recently. A fact which fails to surprise me.
Now though, the interest is keen. These unusually healthy and robust elders in our midst are now the objects of considerable attention, and are being gleefully probed for their blood in the very real hope and prospect that antibodies can be mass produced that will afford real protection even before a new outbreak gets out of control.
But frankly, I wonder how good it is for these centenarians to be jabbed for these samples.
The current procedure throughout the world is, a chicken or two in an industrial chicken house is positive for the virus, wipe out the infected chicken and the whole damn chicken house, many thousands of apparently healthy chickens. Destroyed. Buried. Burned. Who takes these losses? The farmer. Sort of gives him some incentive to button his lip and hope for the best, doesn’t it?
I wonder if it would not be a good idea, the next time their is an outbreak, to let it run its’ course through a very, very, very quarantined chicken house. Actually take the very best care of those chickens! (No, I don’t mean to treat the stricken ones in any way.) I just mean, feed them excellent rations and very good water, remove all corpses promptly, and see how many survivors there are.
Let us say that out of 10,000 chickens, 100 survived. Now you have a hundred chickens you could poke with needles to get some samples to make a vaccine with which a pharmaceutical company could them make billions of dollars. Ah, the wonders of private enterprise!
OR, you could even breed those survivor chickens, ultimately producing tens of thousands, even eventually millions or even billions of chickens, which were totally immune, not only to the deadly virulent strain, but also to a great variety of other common influenza’s. Apparently these aged survivors have, more often than not , not subsequently been troubled by colds or flu that they noticed. In other words, the original infection seems to have made the survivors a LOT healthier. Would it not be nice if we could make the entire chicken population of the planet much, much hardier and less prone to disease in general.
Naw, couldn’t work. Otherwise, one of those experts with all that formal training, all those diplomas and honors,in cooperation with all the high ranking health organization bureaucrats with their unique expertize om writing protocols and edicts and regulations… they would have already thought of it. Certainly, no self-taught bumpkin from the middle of nowhere could ever come up with anything valuable. What would people think?
Five years old is too young to be a Mom! How horrid that anyone would impregnate a little 5 year old-He should be punished!
OMG I DID IT! JESS EYLES!
Cathryn said: “that poor girl. thats all i have to say about this article. that poor girl.”
Liar
Now I know I am comming in late on this story but had to put my 2 cents in. To whoever said “little girls need sex too” you are sick and should stay away from kids. There are different versions of this story. Some other articles I read on this little girl said it was her mother who took her to the dr. Others state it was both parents. This is the only one that just says her father. Other articles say Her father WAS arrested for rape and incest. But they did not have evidence so he was released after just a few days. They did not have DNA testing in the 30’s. I do believe that her father was most likely the father of her child. But the world will never know for sure.
To those who say 5 year olds want to have sex. Well then why are so many young girls who are raped and molested ( such as myself) truamatized for life after living it? Yes I did learn how to live life and I do have a family of my own. But that does not mean that I was or am OK.
That is ashamed! How does a five year old know about sex? And the father? That is ashamed How could you have sex with a five year old? That person should go to jail for what they did! She doesn’t even know how to spell her own name?
You are thinking negative! But you are right?
The father is her father! It is nasty because that means that ,that is her brother/son! THis is redicules! And very nasty! He should go to jail!
It was her own father who made her pregnant!
It’s her own father who impregnanted her!
Ok…. after all these assumptions
The biggest factor is that the child, Lena was brought in at 7 months….. not 4 or 5….. and from the picture i saw the pregnancy was pretty advanced(sometimes women can be pregnant and not know about it since the fetus is not necessarily in the womb and the tummy does’nt expand… its called an ectopic pregnancy, check it out on wikipedia)
So…. they must have seen something was up with her at around 4-5 months(when the pregnancy became obvious) but they still waited! I know they must have been poor…. but it sounds like the girl’s family was apprehensive of the truth
I’m not saying that the father had raped the girl… but they definitely knew that her periods were on and when they had stopped… no periods is a damn obvious indication in any village or shanty… it almost always happens during a pregnancy
The boy born doesn’t sound very unhealthy….. he died at around 40 of a bone marrow infection. Generally, incest is a natural taboo because children born of incest are almost always genetically malformed or have extremely short life spans(just look at the Josef fritzl case)….. that’s pretty much a closed case against incest, it has no evolutionary backing. In fact nature has a huge number of mechanisms against incest… generally pheromones and stuff
I’m thinking that there must have been something wrong in the village or the surrounding area, Lena may not have been the only case but she’s the only one who came to light. There have been incidents where constant exposure to animal hormones can stimulate puberty… or atleast breast development…. but in those cases whenever the source was removed the child returned to their normal levels.
However pituitary malfunction would have had other effects on the girl too and most likely is due to a tumour or due to external influence… wikipedia has an article on early puberty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precocious_puberty
She’s still alive….. so i’m guessing she never had a tumor near her pituitary and her son lived a comparatively long life…. god bless them
@Niomefive:
Just saying it five times doesn’t make it true. There is no evidence or even indication that she was impregnated by her father, so please stop making unfounded accusations.
Regarding the cessation of her period being an obvious indication… Well maybe it would be an obvious indication to us, but even the shamans in the village (the closest thing to doctors they had) diagnosed her with a tumor instead of a pregnancy. Why should the father know better?
Even today in our “educated” society there are cases where women are not aware they’re pregnant until the fifth month or later, and I remember a case a few years ago here in germany, where a married couple (very religiously upbrought)consulted a doctor because they were still without children. The doctor had to inform them that sex was necessary for conception…
So I have absolutely no problem to believe Lina’s parents were as surprised to learn about her pregnancy as anyone else.
I had heard of this before, although I’ve never been able to read about it in detail.
Precocious puberty does happen, although it is rare. I started going through puberty when I was 18 months old, but thanks to modern medicine it was suppressed with hormone treatments and I was allowed a normal childhood and started puberty again at a more normal age.
To everybody talking about the “sicko” who impregnated her, while I’m not saying what he did was right, by any means, I do feel i have to point out that he was probably not a paedophile. She had breasts and a waist. Paedophiles are attracted to the asexuality of children, while she obviously looked very much like a woman, bodywise.
Now before you all start flaming me, I’ll clarify again, if the father was an adult (like her own father for example), I do not think that not being a paedophile means that what he did wasn’t wrong, because he would have known how old she was.
That being said, it is possible that she was being abused from a very young age, and that abuse triggered puberty, like happened with me.
Somebody very early on made a comment about the chances of a child this young both having precocious puberty and being molested. The truth of the matter is that in the western world, at least 70% of children experience some kind of abuse (whether that’s physical, sexual, emotional, or mental) by the time they’re 12. Most of the time the abuse is suffered at the hands of a trusted adult, a parent or grandparent or uncle or aunt or friends of the adults around them. The other two types of people who inflict the abuse are complete strangers and.. wait for it.. other children. And this leads me to my whole point.
What I don’t understand is why so many people on here consider it impossible that one of the local youths, possibly 11 or 12 years old and having discovered that the female form made him aroused, had noticed that Lina, a younger and therefore more easily controlled child, had the figure of a woman, and had convinced her to experiment with him. That makes far more sense to me, since her father knew about the periods and would have been far more careful than to get her pregnant if he had been abusing her. Any adult would have known the consequences. Another child, however, may not have known what could result. Why would she keep her mouth shut about that? To avoid getting him in trouble of course!
I just feel that there is far more to this than the conclusions that people are automatically jumping to. Lina herself is the only one who knows the truth, and even she possibly doesn’t remember.
Ok … It’s amazing that people are so impassioned by the possible rape of a child 80 yrs ago. Lina now lives in poverty and after all these yrs I think the loss of her son (who she grew up with) must be far more traumatic than anything else.
I’ve read so many post blaming Lina’s father for her pregnancy. Which might be so but it is far more likely that it was “playing” with an older child that caused it. A lot of the time, in small villages, children are left with a communal care giver (school wouldn’t have been an option at this time).
As for her period, the Shamans thought she had a tumor so her parents would probably have thought that was the cause.
Lina was lucky to have parents who looked after her and her child and that she was able to have a relatively normal life. I’ve know many pre-teens who have been molested and thrown out of their homes (by their mothers) for being “bad girls”.
She probably never said the name of the baby’s father because she did not know what it was she had done to be pregnant and thereby didn’t know who she had done it with. (Again I’ve met girls who have gone through this)
fyi, before judging, realize I am only in high school. Thank you.
Okay, I had to read this for a school assignment, and thought that it was just wrong. But after reading over 50 of your comments, I realized that maybe it wasn’t. There were some civilizations that would consider me an old maid because I am an unmarried teenager. What does that say about this tribe? It says that perhaps these are people that get married at young ages and the husband and wife, while being young, had a “honeymoon” of sorts. In this case, people may say, “but she wouldn’t consent to marriage at such a young age, and if she did, she certainly wouldn’t consent to intercourse.” Well, there is such a thing as an arranged marriage, even today. The people that are married through an arranged marriage usually don’t get any say in what goes on in their lives and could end up doing something they may not want or they may not mind doing, but not at their age or that particular time in their lives. Also, we are thinking with todays society, where there are people that do things that are illegal due to all of our laws, but I don’t see these people having a bill of rights or a constitution of even a couple of widespread laws, so even if she was raped, it was quite possible that that was normal and okay where she was from. Another point, there was a six year old in America after there were all the laws and the father of her baby was nine. They were simply fooling around and one thing led to another because they didn’t know any better. My little brother is 5 and he enjoys spending his time running around with his friends naked. He is simply experimenting with what he is able to do. So what? Also, people do make such a huge hype over the teenagers that are pregnant in our society, maybe more stories like this should be broadcast. People may think twice before just risking something like a pregnancy. It would help people see that the child needs help and care and it isn’t just a doll. While this could have been tragic for Lina, having to carry a child and go through surgery and recover, it is an excellent learning experience for the rest of the world and the teenagers you may not want to get pregnant today. And for those of you that still believe it was the father, then maybe it will help sick, distured, messed up fathers realize that what they do to their kids, could be the last thing they ever do.
Thank you for reading what I had to say and taking it seriously. I would love to hear back from anyone with comments, good or bad.
Also, if the father of the child had been the mother’s father (confusing sentence), the child would have been unhealthy. You can’t marry a sibling or close relative because your kids would then have messed up genetics. Not to sound snotty or like I think I’m the best thing since sliced bread, but I’m surprised it’s taken nearly 100 comments for this to come up. IT WASN’T THE FATHER!!! Current day genetics can prove this.
highschoolstudent, you are incorrect in that last statement. Offspring of closely related individuals do not have messed up genetics. Generally, they are pretty much normal. Linebreeding/inbreeding like this will make genetic traits more likely to come to the surface over generations – bad things things like hemophilia in royal families or deafness in certain dog breeds, as well as good things, like speed in racehorses.
I feel sorry for the girl, it’s so sad that she had to be put through all of that.
Due to the Pituitary Gland being activated at an early age, “Precoceous Hormonal” development may occur in younger persons. However this is usually associated with medical problems such as Tumours and other developmental defects.
So Lina although not recorded herself, may have had such problems, she certainly passed on to her son who died of a bone marrow disorder.
It would seem that in many of the South American countries, early development is not that uncommon. This could be a natural safeguard for the species to maintain a population level. “Preservation of the spiecies?” To us they seem backward and we sit in moral judgement, but it is a way of life established over hundreds/thousands of years which permits intercourse with “Minors”.
My sister in laws ex husband who came from Chili, had a daughter to his sister at age 13. And was later caught in the cot with his daughter. So it is a way of socio upbringing, what is morally unaceptable to us is an accepted way of life for them.
That was damn interesting. Find more at http://www.allfaltugyan.com
Wow. Always interesting to see people’s responses here.
Some people have stated that incest wasn’t prosecuted in this region and time frame, however, the father was arrested on suspicions of incest. So, HELLO? Read the whole thing?
As far as the identity of the father, could have been a neighbor, cousin, friend, or such who might just be a few years older. You never know, and we will never know now.
To suggest that when sexually abused, whether considered normal or not, not having an affect of some sort on a child is just ludicrous. I had a dear friend who was molested from the time she was very young and did not know it was wrong. She distinctly remembers being small and feeling that something wasn’t right and that she was “dirty”. It is not normal, it is not okay, regardless of society. Physiologically she may have had the same urges as any woman during ovulation, as we would assume with all else being normal for a young woman menstruating. After some innocent play with older friend/relative (8, 9, 10+) could find her little body stimulated by the unnatural hormonal increases associated with ovulation.
I am not suggesting that having marital relations at a young age that is acceptable in these societies is wrong, but many societies that allow very young marriages still delay sexual relations until the bodies are physically developed to carry a baby properly. This child like could not have given birth naturally due to a tiny stature. To consider this age acceptable for intercourse would be unreasonable and unhealthy.
At any rate, I also agree with a previous poster who reminded the other commenters that it was NOT considered okay or normal, else it would have not been hidden. In addition, if incest was normal and acceptable, then the father would have had little hesitation laying claim to the fruit of his loins.
Just saying… sometimes things are not well thought out, as we have read.
i cannot believe some of the comments you morons on here are making!!! & ‘sleepwalker’ (& all
others who made similar comments) what kind of person are you to even write what you did?? you seriously think that she must have enjoyed having sex already because she had reached the point of becoming wet and horny!!!!! wtfh!!!! i pray to god that you and all others who think a 5 year old little girl would enjoy having sex, are all sterile and are as far away from kids as possible.you are one sick freak.but of course you probably believe in having sex with little girls.and sadly,you probably already have.
ALL OF YOU WHO THINK THAT THIS 5 YEAR OLD CHILD IN ANY WAY ENJOYED,
INITIATED,ETC. SEX SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES FOR EVEN THINKING THAT.
oh and btw,for those of you dumba**’s,a 5 year old little girl cannot consent to sex.only a sick pedophile would think that.is this what you think about when you see a 5 year old little girl??
huh??? your whole comment is absurd.so your saying that because she got married later on and had another child that she was not emotionally traumatized by what happened to her??are you insane??
would you say the same thing about any woman who was raped?? that they cannot possibly have any kind
of normal life after being attacked? and if they did then they must not have been traumatized?wow,you are some peice of dogcrap.
(oh and btw you jerk,plz do not use the word retard.it is neither cool,funny,or even ok to refer to anyone as that)
you are a sick s.o.b.!! ‘she got what she deserved’??? are you crazy?? or just a douchebag?? you should have your balls ripped off for this comment.your sick.you know what they say about karma dontcha??well,maybe if we are lucky you will go to prison and ‘get what you deserve!!’
i know that you have the balls to make this comment on here because your probably a spineless troll,you
don’t have to face anyone,you can just spread your vile filth.but i would dare you to say what you said in your comment to someone on the street.you and i bot knw you wouldn’t because you would get your ass kicked.if i had the chance,i would kick your ass myself.but as i said before.i believe in karma.
Enter your comment here.
Back in 1900’s her father raped her at the age of 5 down in mexico the baby’s daddy is her (father)
I do agree, there is a big chance, that the girl was raped. However, there could be other option. You know, young kids do play doctors, exploring each others body. Because the girl was more mature, maybe she just was exploring things with some other a bit older boy and it just happened. Why no one thinks it could be other kid (8 – 12years)?
This is one of the most insane things I have ever read in my life… If only to talk with this now woman and to find out what she has thought about what happen to he all those years ago
Unfortunately, they don’t de-skin these beasts or dip them into sulphuric acid while being hung by the balls. They house them in secure areas in prison, where they serve their pitiful sentences (5 years, out in 2 with good behaviour) being protected against punishment by other inmates, given three squares a day with access to the best gym equipment, satellite TV, internet access, newspapers, further education.
I like your idea better. :)
Some of these comments are very disturbing and discussting. Only a pedophile would support the arugument that a menstrating 5 yr. old girl would be willing to have sex and get aroused. At the age of 11 I started my menstral cycle, but I was in no shape, form, or fashion wanting to have any kind of sexual relations. It may be different for pubescent males, but most females that go through puberty aren’t ready for intimate relations or intercourse. A pubescent female may discover that touching herself feels good, but being penetrated would be painful and horrifying at such a young age. At 13 yrs. old I was scared of boys and the thought of sex, I thought some were cute, but that’s all, I didn’t want to have sex, hell I was still playing with Barbie dolls! Sexual relations didn’t even cross my mind until I turned 16 yrs. old, and frankly it was still scary because of the possibility of becoming pregnant or contracting an STD. I knew of a few girls that had become sexually active, or had sex at 13. Three of those girls told me that they didn’t want to have sex, but that they didn’t want their boyfriends to break up with them, or think they were lame. Basically they just had sex to satisfy the boyfriends because they didn’t want to upset them. How sad is that? These girls also told me it wasn’t enjoyable for them, one lived with regret and shame after the boy got what he wanted and told all of his friends. I can only imagine the hurt, shame, humiliation, pain, and horrifying thoughts that inflicted 5 yr. old Lina. She was only 5!!! No matter how mature they thought she was at that age, she wasn’t. Also givin the particular year or decade this happened in, people were much more mature because of the responsibilities/chores they were expected to do, today it’s much different. So the therapists or doctors that evaluated her would have a different mind set, not to mention that medical and mental evaluations or technology weren’t that advanced, also it was in Peru for goodness sake. Just because she married later and had another child doesn’t mean that she wasn’t traumatized or scarred psychologically. More than likely she learned to live with it, and wanted to have a normal life. She was 38 when she got married, that tells me she had a lot of issues to free herself from, especially in that era, most people married fairly young, like 17 or 18, some even younger. I had my first child at 27 yrs. old, and I was terrified and was married for 4 yrs. in a stable relationship. I don’t buy the excuse that “she was ready, or sexually mature enough”, it’s B.S.! I wish they would’ve found the male that raped and impregnated her. If they had cut off his genitilla and let him bleed to death, perhaps it would’ve set an example to any pedophiles or rapists in that village. If society today performed brutal acts of torture or made it an automatic death sentence for all pedophiles convicted of molesting/raping a child, it would be one less pervert to worry about, or to support in jail by taxpayers money.
[Removed]
It’s a pity that the father of her child remained unidentified.
He deserved to be hung, castrated, and drawn and quartered.