Comments on: Technology and the Pursuit of Happiness https://www.damninteresting.com/technology-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness/ Fascinating true stories from science, history, and psychology since 2005 Sat, 27 Jul 2019 23:49:15 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Maddison https://www.damninteresting.com/technology-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness/#comment-39617 Sun, 01 Mar 2015 00:03:53 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=229#comment-39617 Seriously damn interesting. I feel like it would be like any drugs now, and not all bad. Although there would be cases in which people might zap themselves constantly and be addicted and fail at life and blah blah blah, there could still be a vast number of people that could use it for occasional pleasure and recreation. And there’s also the factor of money. I seriously doubt this would be a cheap procedure which limits the number of people that could even have access to it, let alone abuse it. Just because some people might abuse the technology doesn’t mean it’s bad.

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By: Vampire https://www.damninteresting.com/technology-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness/#comment-27138 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:17:17 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=229#comment-27138 Wow! Wonderful idea, at least at first glance.

Can’t say that this is a new concept for me, but I am pleased that this idea is getting some serious exposure. Personally, I love the idea of a “droud” (neural simulator of SF writer Larry Niven origin), although I would have to think that “wireheading” would conceivably be the most controversial issue of the next 50 years.

I want one, although I’ll have to find the “surgeon” from Minority Report who performed Tom Cruise’s eyeball transplant. I can’t recall the character’s name, or if he had one, but the part was played by one of my favorite actors, Peter Stormrare. Sorry for the digression.

As far as the “Orgasmatron” device is concerned, there is only one person who has the eloquence, clarity of thought, and god-like transcendent wisdom necessary to approve/disapprove of its legion applications: DanThinksDances&femaleGspot.

DanThinks, where are you now?

Alan Bellows once again transcends all expectation with his remarkably fascinating articles.

Thank you everyone for your insightful commentary.

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By: Targhan https://www.damninteresting.com/technology-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness/#comment-25344 Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:58:40 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=229#comment-25344 Studies have shown that prolonged exposure to electric shocks causes brain damage. People would literally lobotomize themselves in “the pursuit of happiness”.

Interestingly enough, the phrase was originally “life, liberty, and property”, which makes a lot more sense.

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By: Rodger Wrighthead https://www.damninteresting.com/technology-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness/#comment-25252 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:51:17 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=229#comment-25252 Also to clarify, I am not talking about full orgasmic stimuli but a much lower level stimulus of the “pleasure center” acting as more of a suggestion rather than full blown order (e.g. “I suggest you move your arm to pick up a gun, I suggest you move your arm into a position that points the gun at your own head, I suggest you move your finger to pull the trigger”. My thinking is that the person might actually start feeling angsty about not doing whatever action you want them to do as their brain would be telling them that doing it is beneficial and so in comparison everything else that the do that is not that specific action is not).
Alternatively you could wait until someone becomes addicted, stop the device from working and then directly tell them the actions that they need to perform to induce the pleasurable feeling again (ahhhh so that explains “Two girls one cup” and “Two girls one finger”…).

DI article and I working on re-read my comments before I post them.

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By: Rodger Wrighthead https://www.damninteresting.com/technology-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness/#comment-25251 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:12:13 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=229#comment-25251 Just clarifying.
[quote]Rodger Wrighthead said: “… what just happened by the looks of things. “[/quote]

By “by the looks of things” I mean “by the look of things said in the article”

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By: Rodger Wrighthead https://www.damninteresting.com/technology-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness/#comment-25250 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:54:38 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=229#comment-25250 There are so many good applications that this technology could be applied as you could probably “train” yourself to like doing something that otherwise you would usually need to muster up some energy for: running, starting that essay, revising, waking up at a specific time etc.. There could be some application for this to be used instead of a pain killer or as a way of dealing with pain e.g. a soldier shot in a battlefield and needed an emergency medical evacuation would probably be a lot calmer with a device like this planted in their head (super soldiers?).
But all I can think about are the possibilities for people to exploit this technology if it were to become available to the masses:
“you are enjoying working in your cubicle 80 hours a week”
“you are enjoying assassinating that individual you know nothing about”
“you are enjoying cutting yourself”
“you are enjoying being raped… in the face”

The last idea may be a little crude, but it gets the point across.
Even as I was writing these ideas down the idea of it completely creeped me out. After “enjoying” someone exploiting that technology you would revert back to yourself and immediately not enjoy what has just happened by the looks of things.

Alternatively you could be living a life that you seem completely content with but has actually been completely programmed into you (I think slaves would be far less likely to disobey where they “enjoying” what they are doing or conversely if they felt worse not doing what they were told. Terrorist attacks could be undertaken by individuals that are “enjoying” blowing themselves up even though they have no affiliation with the terrorist organization they are doing it for or are even aware of what they are doing for a terrorist organization).

I can see why there would be some reluctance to make this technology widely available to the general public given the implications of control it has over other people.

At least with pills you still control over whether you take them or not. I would defiantly opt out of an implanted device where this technology presented to me.

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By: mick sterbs https://www.damninteresting.com/technology-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness/#comment-25181 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:05:00 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=229#comment-25181 Does anyone else recall seeing some old B&W footage of a woman being interviewed on TV, who had a brain implant and could give herself what amounted to an orgasm, at the touch of a button?

I don’t think I’m misremembering it but it’s possible that I’m mistakena and she was actually talking about it after the event, and that what she was describing was the experience on the table described above, the “goody place” bit.

I’ve been looking for this footage for years. I know I’m getting closer, but it still escapes me.

Many thanks
Mick

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By: Flowerheart https://www.damninteresting.com/technology-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness/#comment-24417 Fri, 01 May 2009 02:33:29 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=229#comment-24417 [quote]NaLalina said: “The pursuit of happiness is not the same as happiness itself. We can still pursue happiness when ESB technology is unavailable or prohibited.”[/quote]

This reminds me of Will smith in the Movie the Pursuit of happiness, where he says how did Thomas Jefferson remember to add “Pursuit” in there.

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By: mjunk https://www.damninteresting.com/technology-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness/#comment-24357 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:53:00 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=229#comment-24357 [quote]Cyber Rodent said: My guess is you’d keep zapping away until you died of thirst/hunger/exhaustion – probably with a smile on your face… (I guess you could regard it as the most enjoyable way to commit suicide…)[/quote]

I would like to think that having the ability to reason above that of the average rat (at least, most of us, I hope), we would be able to lay off the button long enough to sustain our lives. Even the most impaired drug addict will take at least minimal steps to preserve his own life. But I do see your point about the decline of productivity. Almost everything we do is for self gratification, either immediate or delayed. Who would be able to resist the most intense gratification to be had for simply the push of a button? But I do wonder what would happen over the long term. I can see it developing to the point where, due to constant exposure, the stimulus becomes attenuated. After awhile, you may prefer banging your thumb with a hammer just for the novelty of it.

And consider what comes after that…if the pleasure center of our brain becomes overloaded by direct stimulus, to which we have become inured, from what then will we take pleasure? None of the old pleasurable stimuli will work, since the “pleasure threshold” has been raised too high to be reached by any other means.

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By: Cyber Rodent https://www.damninteresting.com/technology-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness/#comment-24344 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:07:09 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=229#comment-24344 Given this technology, without some form of limiter built in, people would in all likelihood rapidly degenerate into an endless loop of self stimulation. This kind of experience would be incredibly addictive. Think about it; you have the most enjoyable (orgasmic) sensation available to you at the press of a button. As soon as the initial “hit” wore off (probably only a few seconds duration), the user isn’t going to think “that was nice, maybe I’ll do that again tomorrow” – no, he or she is going to reach for that button right away, and keep doing so for as long as they are still conscious. Normally to receive a pleasurable stimulus, there has to be some cost (whether that be monetary, effort, or working within the framework of society’s norms); here, we have instant gratification available with no perceivable penalty. With no “re-charge” time (or mess) as with sex (or other forms of self-stimulation), no ongoing costs as with drugs, food etc. and no limit to how often you can do it; who wouldn’t rather constantly experience pleasure than the “ordinariness” of reality. (you certainly wouldn’t want to go out to work or perform some useful function in society). So if everyone had the technology, the nation would grind to a halt almost overnight – absolutely nothing would get done, because you’d have a nation of wireheads all sitting around constantly triggering their happy place…

Note that the rats in the experiment preferred the stimulation of their pleasure centre over food (and other experimentation has shown that animals do in fact continue self-stimulating until death), so even the biological imperatives hunger overridden by these sensations (as soon as you feel something unpleasant – such as the sensation of your body dying of thirst, you could just drown it out with another flood of pleasure – which is much simpler that getting up and going to fetch some water (which would mean interrupting the chain of euphoria). My guess is you’d keep zapping away until you died of thirst/hunger/exhaustion – probably with a smile on your face… (I guess you could regard it as the most enjoyable way to commit suicide…)

Now, I imagine that the technology could be used medically for the treatment of emotional disorders (as suggested above) – provided that it was properly regulated to prevent tot addiction scenario from occurring (i.e. regulate the amount of stimulation so that it just counteracts the negative influence of the condition being treated without crossing the threshold of becoming actually pleasurable – simply leveling the field as it were). However, I cannot see it happening – and not for any ethical reasons, or because the powers that be are squeamish about authorizing the procedure; but rather for reasons of simple corporate greed. The big pharmaceutical companies are making massive amounts of money off of the public through the medications that are prescribed (often for a long term, even a lifetime), and they are not about to sit back and let a one-shot-fix solution come to the fore and take away all that revenue. Now if one of those companies were to buy out and license the technology – that might be another story… Then they’d make the cost of the procedure so high that only the uber-rich could afford it anyway… (like they do with many medications – medical science can treat a lot of conditions, but only the rich can afford it a lot of the time).

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