Comments on: The Consequences of Excessive Wakefulness https://www.damninteresting.com/the-consequences-of-excessive-wakefulness/ Fascinating true stories from science, history, and psychology since 2005 Sat, 02 Apr 2022 05:49:59 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7 By: Anand https://www.damninteresting.com/the-consequences-of-excessive-wakefulness/#comment-74421 Sat, 02 Apr 2022 05:49:59 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=133#comment-74421 MODAFINIL belongs to a collection of drugs called ‘stimulants’ used to enhance wakefulness in persons suffering from narcolepsy (immoderate and uncontrollable daylight hours sleepiness). Narcolepsy is a clinical circumstance wherein someone faces immoderate daylight hours sleepiness and face sleep assaults that make someone nod off abruptly in beside the point situations.

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By: JarvisLoop https://www.damninteresting.com/the-consequences-of-excessive-wakefulness/#comment-73352 Sat, 06 Jun 2020 11:33:53 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=133#comment-73352 Checking back in.

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By: JarvisLoop https://www.damninteresting.com/the-consequences-of-excessive-wakefulness/#comment-73123 Wed, 20 Nov 2019 01:31:42 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=133#comment-73123 I imagine that I one of the few who doesn’t sleep with his phone left on.

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By: JarvisLoop https://www.damninteresting.com/the-consequences-of-excessive-wakefulness/#comment-72671 Wed, 09 Jan 2019 01:34:48 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=133#comment-72671 “Interestingly, before the invention of the electric light bulb, the average person received nine of hours of sleep per night. The average night’s sleep for a young American today is a bit over seven hours.”

I will bet that it is even less now, thanks to smartphones being with people at all times.

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By: John https://www.damninteresting.com/the-consequences-of-excessive-wakefulness/#comment-71815 Mon, 31 Oct 2016 02:02:29 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=133#comment-71815 Sleep disturbance has been the bane of my life lately. I went on Modafinil as an ADHD treatment, and it didn’t affect my sleep (I’d read that people could take it before sleeping, then wake up feeling ready-to-go; its insomnia side-effect rate is like 3%); eventually, it gave me severe depression. Went on Amphetamine, and it made me sicker than I’ve ever been in my life–but I stayed on that.

Eventually, I identified that the sickness I felt was like what happens if, as so very long ago, I got good sleep, except that one day I stayed up until 3am and slept 2 hours. The way I felt changed: once aware of what I was actually experiencing, I could identify it as extreme sleep deprivation. I’ve slept a lot less than my Fitbit says; correcting for the past several months, I get a maximum of 2.5-3.5 hours per day, mostly light sleep–no restorative slow-wave sleep.

So now I’m powering through Melatonin for that. Time-release Melatonin, because IR spikes the levels way high and TR can work without causing tolerance and rebound insomnia. I kind of want to ask my psychiatrist for Tiagabine or another anti-convulsant (state-of-the-art as of 2013 mentions ACs can provide more slow-wave sleep and less night-time awakening, but not accelerate sleep; but also recommends taking an Ambien every time you wake up throughout the night, and hell no I’m not taking 5 Zolpedim every night), but first I want to see how far I can get with just Silexan, Melatonin, and sleep habits.

As for the pretend-economists in the crowd, no, you don’t just get more work for lower pay. That can happen at the uncontrolled low-end, sort of; essentially, the lower the minimum wage, the more jobs are available, but also the lower the standard-of-living, to the point of a non-living wage (too much financial risk means you suddenly become a non-consumer now and then, which means you’re not a viable profit source).

In general, the market moves profit margins to stable points related to demand–the more demand, the lower the stable margin (e.g. food’s 10%-ish margin and the grocery store 2% profit margin versus any specialist good with a 5,000% margin and all of 2,000 customers worldwide). The reason our GDP-per-capita increases–and why food cost 40% of the middle-class median family income in 1900, 33% in 1950, and 10% today–is we find ways to reduce working hours per good produced, and the margin eventually (not immediately) floats down. The total system of economic effects that cause this are complex, starting with direct competition (hence why high-demand goods have stable, low-margin prices: lots of competitors, versus trying to start a business to sell something to a market that only wants to buy 5 or so of them per year) and going all the way to money supply (the pile of income in any given time period is finite) and mathematical inequality (the change in prices between various goods can’t line up, because some goods would have to sell below cost).

All of that essentially means, in simple terms and among other things, that the price of goods is related to the total cost of wages to make them. If the business makes you work 50% longer, then you make 50% more things; but each thing only costs as much as your labor time. Conversely, if the business made you work 50% longer but didn’t pay you more, goods would cost 2/3 as much. Not reducing prices to match the change in costs would be essentially the same as doing that today, and would or wouldn’t happen for the same reasons–it has nothing to do with how much you *can* work.

Working hours used to be 60-94 per week; they came down to 40. People argued for shorter working hours for hundreds of years, yet the working hours actually started coming down in the 1920s, spanning out to the 1960s, essentially as technology rapidly reduced the amount of necessary labor and, thus, the amount of working time you needed to trade–and thus the amount of wage you need to bring home–to buy essential goods. Suddenly it became possible to work 40 hours instead of 60 and still buy food, even though those 20 hours had to be replaced with (half of) another person and the price of food had to include another (half of a) person’s wage.

Most things you buy cost minutes of your life. Internet costs $80/month, or 4 minutes and 15 seconds of my time per day. Food costs $200/month, or 10 minutes 40 seconds of my time per day. There was a time when food was more than half your budget, and you worked 100 hours every week. It’s not that they can’t make you work; it’s that the system would become unstable if they did. That, plus money is only worth labor exchange, and high prices and high margins and labor abuse reduce the value of money: tweaking our tax system to improve efficiency would gain a 32-hour work week, which would actually make the rich a hell of a lot richer even though the middle-class and poor would be the biggest beneficiaries.

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By: Jennifer https://www.damninteresting.com/the-consequences-of-excessive-wakefulness/#comment-60290 Wed, 09 Mar 2016 05:12:31 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=133#comment-60290 I suffer from chronic insomnia due to what my doctors say poor coping mechanism. High levels of stress. I suppress until it made ill, other S/S first occurred then the insomnia and my final blow I started having seizures. My first grand Mal was at night I was taken to the Hospital and since then was Diagnosed with Nocturnal Seizures. Stress+Insomnia my Neurologist says Kills.

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By: Sabastian Harvey https://www.damninteresting.com/the-consequences-of-excessive-wakefulness/#comment-48573 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:43:25 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=133#comment-48573 Would the same Symptoms occur when staying awake for a certain amount of time purposely to?

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By: Brandon https://www.damninteresting.com/the-consequences-of-excessive-wakefulness/#comment-40114 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:01:54 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=133#comment-40114 REM sleep is not the deepest sleep. REM stands for Rapid Eye Movement. Which is the state where you are nearly awake. nREM sleep is the deep sleep you’re referring too.

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By: Jack https://www.damninteresting.com/the-consequences-of-excessive-wakefulness/#comment-39444 Tue, 09 Dec 2014 22:31:23 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=133#comment-39444

Furnace said: “Lucid dreaming only takes a little time and effort. For about three years straight, I wrote a detailed description of my dreams, and after seeing patterns emerge in my writings, I started having concious thoughts when I noticed them in my dreams. “Hey! I’ve had five different dreams where someone cuts their foot on broken glass and here it is again!” …and the lucid dreaming starts.

My goal for the longest time was to find a book in a dream, then read and remember as much as possible so I could find out what my mind would create. Time and time again, it was always gibberish. This is the longest line of text I’ve been able to get from a dream- “Standard strock not oekey todoso.””

That’s actually quite interesting. I’m also very intrigued by the skill of lucid dreaming (though I’m only just a beginner). My dream diary is about 2 weeks long, but it has quite a few gaps in it since I usually can’t remember my dreams when I awake.

Anyway, when you’re reading those gibberish lines of text, do they actually make sense to your dream self, or do you read it and toss it due to it being gibberish?

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By: Joseph https://www.damninteresting.com/the-consequences-of-excessive-wakefulness/#comment-39056 Sun, 29 Jun 2014 15:01:05 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=133#comment-39056 I love lucid dreaming and have even found that that the longer i stay up the easier it is to do so. In my memory my vision is usally foggy or inpaired during these dreams but if you rrally pay attention its clearer than here

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