Comments on: The Total Perspective Vortex https://www.damninteresting.com/the-total-perspective-vortex/ Fascinating true stories from science, history, and psychology since 2005 Fri, 10 Jan 2020 01:29:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: JarvisLoop https://www.damninteresting.com/the-total-perspective-vortex/#comment-73196 Fri, 10 Jan 2020 01:29:52 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=864#comment-73196 Astounding. I have not seen this column since 2007, and I still recall most of it. Maybe.

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By: L https://www.damninteresting.com/the-total-perspective-vortex/#comment-39453 Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:24:27 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=864#comment-39453

Chris said: “As a survival trait, positive self-deception gets things done, and that’s why everybody does it.”

I agree with your observations, Coherent. I belive I am a “realist” yet that is not generally accepted as much as the “optimist” positive perception. Recently I was accused of being “negative” when someone asked about the weather for the weekend and I replied “bleak.” “Stop being so negative!” was the response. “Negative?” I replied. “I just saw the weather report and it said 70% chance of rain.” Now, I would rather have nice ,rain free weekend, but since when is stating the most likely a “negative?! Not what they wanted to hear!
Anyway, great article! And that is a “realistic” answer!”

Dear Chris,

You comment is in fact negative, a realistic one would have merely reported the chance of raining without much subjective judgement.

What makes someone depressed is the overall idea based on actual facts that the subject comes to realize about the world, himself and what is around him in terms of opportunities and ability to influence his own future. This ideas are true but dysfunctional for himself and the way he interacts in social groups, leading to being marginalized and eventually seen as mentally ill.

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By: Entraya https://www.damninteresting.com/the-total-perspective-vortex/#comment-38060 Tue, 03 Dec 2013 09:47:30 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=864#comment-38060 It’s odd to cope with pessimistic thoughts of reality, since there is no true answer as to whether it’s all going fairly okay, or terrible, since it’s both at the same time. I think I hold two opinions of the matter, which are clearly different, yet doesnt conflict. One part of me sees the fantastical fuckup that is humanity and thinks ‘you know, everything points to shit, and getting shittier, and even if we try, we can’t possible ward of all that incoming shit’, and the other is still blissfully biased by the comfort of my first world country and dismissing all other notes, along with a more down-to-earth of ‘everything has always been on the shaky grounds with lots of shit going on. If everythings’ base state of being is shit, then it should be converted to ‘normal’, and normal is fine, really. No use for panicking or being worried’.

Yeah, I can recommend installing an inner chill center. If you want both the pessimistic view of humanity, the chill factor, and laughter, just seek out George Carlin. He should be able to balance out your worldview

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By: nathanboya https://www.damninteresting.com/the-total-perspective-vortex/#comment-27590 Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:46:29 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=864#comment-27590 Granted this article points out some interesting facts about humans, but that doesn’t mean that actively following such behavior is positive for society. Moreover, delusional thought systems may lead some to better lives, but they also lead others to terrible things like the mass-murder shootings committed by James Holmes and Adam Lanza.

I would argue against delusion and optimism being useful for humankind at this point in civilization. In fact, I think much of the current unhappiness in America, as well as serious mental illnesses, is due to the collective delusional belief enforced by Disney, Hollywood and the other media that we can and should all be rich, beautiful, “successful”, and famous.

One modern alternative for finding happiness without delusion is Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy (REBT), invented by the famous psychologist Albert Ellis. His therapy is based on acceptance of the world, ourselves, and focusing on what we can do and what we can change.

For example if you are in a bad job or bad relationship:
1. acceptance of the situation: this job sucks
2. validation of your emotions: the fact that it sucks depresses me, depletes my energy, makes me angry, makes me feel hopeless, etc.
3. Now that you have addressed your emotions, which is a necessary step, time to focus on what you can do to change the situation. In some cases leaving your job or partner is the only viable alternative.

Above all, stop saying things like “my life *should* be better” or “that person *should* not have cut me in line”, or “I *must* be richer”, or “the government *should* do a better job at X”. This is what Ellis humourously called “musturbation”. Such patterns of thought do you no good. This is not to say that these things will not upset you, but “shoulding” just leads to a cycle of unhappiness, anger, and hopelessness.

See wikipedia for more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Ellis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_Emotive_Behavior_Therapy

You can also read his many books such as
“The Myth of Self-Esteem”.
“How to Stubbornly Refuse to Make Yourself Miserable About Anything: Yes, Anything”

Above all, it would probably serve all of us well to stop following half-baked advice from TV sound-bites and self-help snippets from talking heads, magazines, the 10 minute guide to XYZ etc, and this article!

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By: psyched https://www.damninteresting.com/the-total-perspective-vortex/#comment-26584 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:56:49 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=864#comment-26584 damn interesting indeed. i read most of the posts and was amazed of how intellectual you guys comment/debate/discuss. kudos to the likes of willy, to christopher putnam for the articles and alan bellows for the site. my interest in reading and studying is revived! my college entrance exams are coming up, and i needed a breather. this site is just sooooo..refrehing. lol.

i’ll strive to be as smart as you guys >:]

hope you guys will continue posting articels in this site. THANKS!

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By: kaptainkomic https://www.damninteresting.com/the-total-perspective-vortex/#comment-26244 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:38:54 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=864#comment-26244 An interesting article….too bad damn interesting has sort of died out… if you are interested in a similar blog…check out : http://www.thinkaboutthis.info a wide range of topics from philosophy to history to religion….up and coming blog with insiteful posts!

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By: breez https://www.damninteresting.com/the-total-perspective-vortex/#comment-26060 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:20:09 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=864#comment-26060 [quote]churchboo said: “Are you kidding? Ignorance abounds. When somebody has mental problems, handwashing or paranoria, they are miserable.”[/quote]

Agree, we can’t pretend it’s not suffering involved. Although the labeling of mental illness is out of hand considering how few diagnostic methods we have, appearantly no one is normal any more, we all have a ‘disorder’.

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By: churchboo https://www.damninteresting.com/the-total-perspective-vortex/#comment-26025 Mon, 10 May 2010 22:44:01 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=864#comment-26025 Are you kidding? Ignorance abounds. When somebody has mental problems, handwashing or paranoria, they are miserable.

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By: BenB https://www.damninteresting.com/the-total-perspective-vortex/#comment-25765 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:58:33 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=864#comment-25765 Brilliant article.
I came across this by searching for “Total Perspective Vortex” – a concept from Hitchhiker’s that I’ve always been particularly fond of. I’ve always been looking for an explanation of “mental disorder” that was more inclusive than “they’re just loony” and this article provides some amazing insight – insight that helps me understand a little bit more of myself, as well.
Great stuff Christopher – keep up the great posts.

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By: tednugentkicksass https://www.damninteresting.com/the-total-perspective-vortex/#comment-25559 Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:13:19 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=864#comment-25559 please do not feed the trolls

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